Carl-Richard

Enlightenment implies that there has been a journey from darkness and into the light. If you've always been in the light, there is no such thing as enlightenment. Compare it with the hero's journey: the animal has never had to travel through the dark abyss of human suffering, overcome it and return to the village. You're not a hero for just living in the village. It's the journey that makes you a hero.

? Before you play devil's advocate, try to show that you're not the devil ?

Are you comparing satsangs with one on one sessions?

As compared to who?

Maybe it was by accident in this life, but if you listen to him describing his past lives, he must have probably had around 100k hours of insanely hardcore spiritual practice. That for sure wasn't an accident, and all of that culminated in him building the Dhyanalinga and establishing Isha foundation. There are many practices he is holding back from his students saying they're too powerful. To say that he doesn't know what he is talking about just because he speaks in a peculiar type of way is a tad bit ignorant.

Probably helped a few people who couldn't do it the diy method.

People who go to satsangs and stuff don't really come for the stories. There is a component of grace that simply comes from being in the presence of the teacher. The stories, in the sense that they're able to awaken someone, simply serves as a vehicle for that grace. Simply speaking about Truth amplifies that natural expression of grace, and you can pick up on that even without registering the words. I can even notice this in myself when I talk to somebody about Truth (in person). It makes me more in present and aligned, quite drastically actually.

Survival isn't the opposite of taking life. Survival is when self-perpetuating patterns compete in a system with limited resources. Even in the case of Hitler's worst atrocities, there was always an underlying argument of how to distribute resources and perpetuate a set of behavioral/ideological patterns. A survival pattern could be about eliminating the most patterns possible, including itself, and it would still be called survival, because that in itself is still perpetuating a pattern. Whether it's capable of achieving that goal or not depends on the access to resources, and the consumption of those resources usually goes at the cost of others. The stage yellow dream is to be able address all patterns in the best way possible.

There is a diffence for sure, but at the end of the day, he did what he did as a product of his own suffering, just like I did as a product of mine, and there is room for compassion there. That is not to excuse or condone bad behavior. Evil is complicated. However, I understand how mentioning compassion in the same sentence as the greatest evil of the 20th century can come off as repulsive and frankly offensive for most people, so I will keep that to a minimum. Besides, skirting that edge with potential nazi sympatizers just around the corner is probably not the best thing to do.

Is lying, stealing, manipulating, and gaslighting for personal gain not evil? Yes, but my desire to listen to it was still not in my hands so to speak. The suffering was too great. When I finally did listen, it was out of sheer luck and happenstance. My conscience currently tells me all life is sacred. Your conscience seems to think differently. How did that happen? ?

I have a conscience, but looking back at my life, there have been many times where I didn't act in accordance with it. Was that all under my control or did my socialization/biology impact it? If so, does that make me evil? Now years later, I can see how I could've acted better. What changed?

Sure. I've been socialized to act suboptimally as well. Am I evil?

You say your conscience can bypass your socialization. I demonstrated how little socialization it takes to override your conscience.

All you need is a good excuse (meat eater esque "this is how I survive") and the same level of dehumanization you've levied against them ("they're not worthy").

You demonize what you don't understand. Strong disagree.

If we assume that we're currently in a low consciousness society and that we'll have a high consciousness society in the future (let's say 100 years), then I would say no. https://www.forbes.com/sites/briankateman/2020/02/17/will-cultured-meat-soon-be-a-common-sight-in-supermarkets-across-the-globe/

You die when you feel OK with being alive.

Systems system ?

or look at the examples where the hard work paid off in the end: http://growbalance.se/2016/11/20/ph-d-happiness-10000-hours-meditation-actually-brain/ You'll never know if you got bad genetics if you don't put in the work

Genetics is one facet of karma. It's just different ways of describing it.

Great example of INTJ's Fe blindspot. Eric Weinstein gets a lot of critique for the way he chooses to explain his theory of Geometric Unity. You can see this under literally every Joe Rogan appearance ("he is a conman", "he intentionally uses jargon to sound smart" "he likes to hear himself talk" etc.), but what is interesting here is that it's coming from a highly esteemed physicist (in other words, it's not simply that it's a complex theory): 58:48 "Nobody knows what you are talking about"

Not to be the "that guy", but the "nature = health" argument has been debunked: Even if you define health and longevity to be distinct concepts (which I do), none of them are particularly correlated with biological fitness (health a bit more than longevity). Blindly trusting nature as a dietician is a bit naive, because 1. nature only cares about whether or not you're strong enough to survive and fight off fertile competitors and 2. that you survive long enough to produce more self-sustaining offspring than your competitors; a.k.a biological fitness. Strength is also not the same as health. Even so, this is far from the whole picture of why a particular diet is observed in a population.

Consider for a moment the bulk of literature on non-dual mysticism that describes these experiences. Did all of them take psychedelics?

I mean... those numbers aren't too far off when you consider how some people get enlightened after 20000 hours of meditation while some stumble into an awakening during their third meditation attempt

My sober awakenings were and still are deeper than my LSD experiences.