Carl-Richard

I'm just saying what I think. I could be mistaken.

I can also be dreaming that I'm on a vacation with my GF (imaginary of course) and we go to one of those tourist places where you can see through binoculars. Then when I see through them, my GF asks "what do you see?". And I answer: "mountains, birds, and also the Empire State building". Then when my GF sees through them, I ask her what does she see. She answers "I see mountains, birds and, yes, there is the Empire State building". Now, was I dreaming all that as infinite consciousness? Sure. Was it only me who saw the Empire State building? No. Was it only me who experienced the Empire State building? Probably no. If this is the case, it's very weird to say "other people don't experience anything" (which I don't know if you've noticed, people like to say). You can say it's all dreamed up, but that the dream should stop at my eyes, that's just odd.

How can you move in 2D space if consciousness is always in the same spot? Take some vitamins or something.

I don't think you do.

Space is visual extension. It's a concept with content. It's not nothing. If you draw two points and a line between them, that's space. If you don't draw two points and a line, that's more like nothing.

Consciousness has fish, consciousness has people, people have eyes, fish have eyes, eyes see only what is in front of them, what their eyes see is limited, it's a limited point of view. Do you agree?

Reality isn't just 2D. Wake up 😂

There is no room. When you take a psychedelic, you're in a psychotic state where everyday reality melts at the seams and you gradually start to deconstruct certain notions, but you didn't deconstruct it all the way. You were stuck in limbo, which is apparently what most psychedelic fanatics are, perpetually.

To show people something completely arbitrary which you conceived during a DP/DR episode during an alcohol-infused trip you had at a LAN party with friends? Sure, I also have stories from when I tripped with friends and spent an hour staring at a keyboard because I didn't know what the fuck was going on.

No, that's you describing individualized mind-body consciousness. Consciousness exists before that. You can deconstruct your mind and body right now if you try to sit very still and become one with silence and that which doesn't move (it usually takes practice of course). But you don't even need to do that; deep sleep is pretty much the same thing, but you probably don't notice that you actually are conscious during deep sleep, because you're too identified with your mind and body to notice the transition or subtlety of the state.

The fucking wall is a mental construct. Why draw an arbitrary line around the third dimension? All dimensions are a mental construct. This is why people fall into solipsism, making half-assed conclusions about what is a mental construct and what is not. I've had that on weed when opening the fridge. That doesn't mean much. Weird things happen in the illusion. Contemplate sober.

ChatGPT is actually pretty based.

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If Leo thinks a toilet exists but not other people, he puts primacy to some spatio-temporal entities over others, hence his metaphysics depends on space and time, hence it's not absolute (because space and time is relative).

You could also be a dual aspect monist when I think about it. You believe consciousness arises out of something that is not consciousness.

Not even your toilet exists.

So you're a materialist?

Anything that has an extension visually (not just in waking reality but also in your imagination) can be described by the concept of space. If you can draw two points and a line between them, that's space. Space is just a placeholder concept for things that extend visually. It doesn't matter if it's in a dream or not. The reason you think that is because materialists have hijacked the notion of space to mean space in waking reality (or outer space), which we can thank Descartes for when he drew the distinction between res extensa and res cogitans. But if you're an idealist, reality is indistinguishable from a dream. I linked a video earlier of an idealist that argued (from a scientific and philosophical point of view) that other people in waking reality are dream characters.

Did you see the picture I posted earlier? They are. I draw the distinctions (illusory distinctions) for the sake of pragmatism, for understanding the illusion. I have conceded that they are Maya and not metaphysical bedrock, in this very thread. Solipsists are the ones who ground their metaphysics in space and time by making definitive statements like "other people do not experience". If you don't want to talk about space and time, don't talk about others, let alone if they experience anything or not.

If there is only now, how does anything happen at all? "There is only now" is a stupid pointer. There is only what is. Then you can divide it into pieces through conceptualization, through things like change, movement, space and time, and you can understand things like frequency (which is an oscillation over time).

If change is constant, change has a changeless element to it. Change requires non-change. That's basic non-duality. If it's constant, it's absolute.

Teacher.

So you can't exclude anything. So apparently separate mind-body complexes can have apparently separate localized points of view outside of your own apparently separate localized point of view.

The problem I'm pointing out is claiming that some very specific forms are necessarily a certain way because there is no difference between form and emptiness. It's a total non sequitur. If you are claiming "there are no separate individualized mind-body experiences but this one", you can't claim that based on "form = emptiness". It's like claiming apples can't fall down or there can't be two clowns in a clown car because God is both and form and emptiness. It's a total non sequitur.

Consciousness without change can be known (it's always known), hence you can be conscious of it. There is always an unchanging element to every experience. Anesthesia is not "un-Consciousness". It's called unconsciousness by medical professionals who don't care about subtle metaphysical distinctions. If you grant the unknown, anything is possible. The ground of being could be a pink elephant. But within the known, Consciousness seems to be the ground of being. You're mixing up Consciousness with Maya (mind-body consciousness).