Carl-Richard

Sitting down and intending to sit for a minimum amount of time. Now I want to do a poll specifically about people's meditation habits

I'm curious, how do you guys interpret "daily meditation habit"?

@Loba ?

So according to the poll I posted, even on a spirituality forum, only half of people who have taken psychedelics are meditating daily (without specifying technique and time spent). I wouldn't consider spirituality truly going mainstream unless most people have at least a daily meditation practice (or at least if you want it to be able to save the world). So unless everybody in the world tries psychedelics and are exposed to the information equivalent to Actualized.org, it doesn't look very promising. If you disagree with my criteria (daily meditation), what would you pick? For example, I don't think most of people talking about spirituality is a good criteria, because talk is not walk. Infrequent meditation is also not very likely to produce much results either.

I don't think that tells you much about your natural inclination towards spirituality.

Well, you have to remember that these people haven't been introduced to the same level of spiritual ideas as you have. That also matters a lot. I was pretty clueless about spirituality the few times I tried LSD. It just didn't last very long

? And then one of my other buddies went digging in the freezer, and he found a frozen raspberry which he wanted me to taste, and when it touched my tongue, it felt like somebody fired a gun in my mouth Just the most violent taste experience I've ever had.

These are like 8-12 people that I've hung out with who have taken psychedelics at least once (most of them over 3 times). Firstly, they've never tried meditation (except 3 of them, but they didn't seem to do it regularly). 80% of them smoke weed every day, pray to Jordan Peterson, and that's pretty much it.

Why are you rapping?!?

Bro! I swear, first time on LSD at my place, one of my buddies asked if he could make porridge. PORRIDGE!

That moment when you realize there is a selection bias because it's in the spirituality section rather than the psychedelics section ? EDIT: HAHAHAH now it looks like I'm spamming ?

Thanks!

They're probably more spiritual than if they didn't take psychedelics, but by the standards of this forum, it doesn't register on the scale. I'm not saying that psychedelics don't have benefits. I'm saying that people who are hardcore spiritual nuts who meditate for hours every single day were probably predisposed to that. I would like to see a poll on this forum of how many who have taken psychedelics and how many of them meditate daily and have had sober awakening experiences. EDIT: I made that poll: I just see too many rich guys who are not spiritual, that's all

The people I know that take psychedelics are the least spiritual people I know If psychedelics happen to not be very effective, I think there is a chicken and the egg problem, because I think we need something drastic like mandatory meditation and non-dual teachings in middle school for most people to become spiritually inclined, and I don't see that happening before most people are already spiritually inclined.

Do you believe in evolution by natural selection?

I don't believe collectively maxing out materialism will make everybody take up spirituality. It requires a certain person. Certainly more people will take it up, but not mainstream.

Most people aren't predisposed to spirituality, so it won't become mainstream. If it does, it will be a dogmatic version, a.k.a. traditional religion. In that sense, spirituality has already been mainstream for thousands of years.

I skipped to 26:21 when most people are joining. I've never laughed so much

100% agreed. The answer is simple: it's not a natural way to live life. Over time, you'll think you've come to hell. Your body has an innate sense of what it needs, and it's a delicate balance. When you're eating a meal, your body knows when it has had enough, or if you're eating the wrong food, or when you need to pee, or have sex, or move your body etc. Your body knows what is best for itself, and it tells you this, if only you're willing to listen. There is an organic impulse towards health that is possible to tap into, and this is generally what raising your consciousness is about: finding out what truly serves you. Chasing pleasure directly is not the answer, because your body doesn't run on pleasure. It runs on meaning. Pleasure is merely a signal for when you do something meaningful. Your body adapts to excess of one thing, because in excess, it's no longer meaningful for your survival. What is meaningful is just the right amount, just that which serves you.

...no, that's just a condition of the thought experiment. You're going to be a human that will magically live forever, stuck in a garden, eating, sleeping, shitting and having sex like some zoo animal.

He didn't say "if you were to become God...". You're going to be a human in a garden. A garden gnome, a perverted one.

That's the surface-level appearance of Blue. You have to ask: what do these things provide? Order and meaning. These two meta-values go extremely deep, and you can spend years integrating them. So you don't have to integrate Blue by becoming a dogmatic, bible-thumping Blue. Just distill the core values. For the last couple of years, I've been working on creating order and meaning on all levels: daily life, life purpose, interpersonally, privately etc. For example, I've solidified my daily habits (diet, work, exercise, sleep), started taking notes for literally everything, planning things out thoroughly, committing to an education path, upping my workload, always telling the truth, and having faith in the process.

These kinds of questions showcase the distinction between pleasure and meaning and how you should only pursue one of them.

Second-order knowledge is inferential (from premises to conclusions) and probabilistic (not 100% certain), and that's ok

Lol. Would you like to only eat cake for the rest of your life?