Carl-Richard

You can again be relatively healthy with a slight nutrient deficiency. The question is whether or not they are deficient. There are many who are deeply inculcated with the "modern society traps" but who are skeptical of supplements. It wasn't long ago that even leading health science gurus were completely against taking them. Then there were convincing scientific evidence for their benefits [1]. The study did control for "healthiness" of diet, but they should of course have controlled for organic vs non-organic aswell. But even so, as mentioned, even for organic crops, there is a ~40% reduction in vitamins and minerals from crops over the last half century (and it might not be completely countered by growing your own because it is partially a genetic issue with the foods we've bred for mostly size; you would have to farm more obscure foods). So unless you farm all your food yourself and you eat different foods than you would probably usually eat, you'll be worse off than half a decade ago. And we know staying inside and avoiding the sun does negatively impact vitamin D levels, and where I live, you effectively don't get vitamin D from the sun from October through March. Is the scientific evidence a trap? But again, maybe being relatively deficient doesn't matter much, and maybe it's a phase for me and I'll prefer less supplements over time.

@Deziree Essentially you're doing the thing where you say "everything affects everything else" and then you mention virtually anything you can think of, probably as a way to signal being a "systems thinker" or "Tier 2" person (not intentionally of course, I'm mind-reading your unconscious mind). Reminds me of @Danioover9000. But if you were to choose the most pertinent thing that effects the quality of thoughts, what would that be?

You're like the most interesting person on the forum because you take anything else than Enlightenment as hocus pocus fairytales, beliefs, states, while essentially the rest think temporary awakenings are the real deal. And I appreciate that 😙

"Aroused" 😂

I have not tried any of his programs, but certainly some of his meditation techniques. But it goes back to "reading energy". Sadhguru videos seem to invoke the non-dual state in me. Maybe I can watch any video with enough attention and openness and the same will happen. But I sense I get "pulled into it" by Sadhguru, Rupert Spira, etc. @UnbornTao

@Ramasta9 True indigenous people don't buy commercial produce, be it organic or non-organic. They also come from a culture of mostly hunter-gatherers who eat close to the biosphere and don't mix too many food types in one meal (and again, mixing foods can inhibit absorption of nutrients). They are also out in the sun more. So you can make the case that indigenous people are healthy. But that's the trade-off of living in modern society. The question is: what do you do when you live in modern society?

Maybe you're talking about a different dimension.

@Ramasta9 I might cut out supplements if I feel like it. Then I also live in a country with little sunlight so vitamin D supplementation is virtually a must, unless I want to eat fish with heavy metals in it every other day (or maybe I could research blowing my wallet on some kind of exclusive top-notch fish, but normal fish is already expensive). Even so, organically-grown foods also seem to be affected by the vitamin and mineral decline we've seen in the last 50 years (about 40% drop). And the modern diet of mixing all kinds of ingredients together is in itself a cause for concern; eating something like a banana together with blueberries cuts the polyphenol absorption by 80%. Regardless, I think you can be semi-deficient in nutrients and still feel very good if you're in a non-neurotic mental state and you do healthy things. As for feeling that supplements don't do good things, is it merely a feeling of general discomfort or aesthetic displeasure with the state they cause, or is it something overt like GI issues or fatigue or over-stimulation?

Foods make you high. We're just used to calling it "being full". Try being hungry and then take a massive dose of amphetamine. Now you're full.

Here's a philosophy I have: if I can't take it in the morning, do I really need it?

I had this concern as well, then I looked into the level of relevant contaminants in our food (which is generally many-fold worse), so I thought why not? Unless there are contaminants they are unable to detect which have an effect (which also could be the case for our food), contaminants from supplements are the least of your worry. And the filler compounds tend to be essentially different versions of cellulose and maybe some silicon dioxide (both of which you already eat anyway). You could also question whether the digestive process of dissolving a pill could have some odd effect, but at the end of the day, it's essentially a form of food, and we eat so many types of foods already, you should probably be more concerned about how different foods interact (which is one benefit with supplements; you can separate them temporally). Then it comes down to how you react to them. On that, I tried Mg malate yesterday and today. Yesterday I thought the dose was maybe too big so today I cut it in half but then I felt lower mood than usual. Now I thought maybe to add a quarter dose back in. But I just realized that maybe the first supplement I've been taking (95/5 MgO and Mg Citrate) has an unique effect that I prefer. Even if the Mg in MgO is poorly absorbed, MgO could have beneficial effects down the line in terms of e.g. gut motility (MgO is osmotic), which is related to mood. So maybe I'll do a 180 back to my usual supplement again.

Here's another addition to the "tyranny of the mind": reps in reserve. Mike Israetel and his circle jerk buddies don't just want you to stifle your movement for each rep, they want to stifle the energy output for each set. Instead of going all out gorilla mode until you cannot do anymore, it's "well, that's enough stimulus, I will put down the weight". It's such a beta cucked nerdneck way to train. And again it assumes you know more than the body.

"These problems seem spiritual in nature" is what his daughter claims, insinuating "attacks" from the outside. I've always thought it was from the inside. That said, it's not an easy life he's had the last decade. Last time he came out from the hospital, he was a different man.

Cry if you have to, just don't be a crybaby.

Rupert Sheldrake's study on telephone telepathy.

Da hell does that mean.

Any description is dogma.

Ah you were serious. "Why" is a human question. God doesn't give a rat's patoot about why, unless you believe God is intrinsically a human-like figure like stereotypical monotheists think. God just does what God does. God is like a dog: you don't ask a dog "why do you sniff everything?". Dogs simply sniff, they can't answer "why" or explicate a grand plan.

Lol

My god, on what planet can you claim Rupert Spira is not selling enlightenment? You're absolutely removed from reality. Since we're about that "show me" game, I'll give you one challenge: find me one person on the forum who believes Sadhguru sells enlightenment but Spira doesn't. You can find me plenty who believe Sadhguru is a conman, but find me one person who believes he sells enlightenment but Spira doesn't. I will virtually guarantee you they will either say they both sell enlightenment or they both don't sell enlightenment, not one or the other. And this will be because you've backed yourself into an ad hoc corner, painting with the fine-comb pedantic brush; backed yourself so tightly in there that nobody else could fit in there.

Hmm. Are you taking any other supplements? When I added a multivitamin to my then existing mineral/vitamin stack (magnesium oxide/citrate, zinc citrate, fish oil with A, D, E, vitamin D), I got pretty intense chronic acid reflux feeling for most of the day. Then I learned to separate them, multivitamin first with a fruit and then the rest of the stack after the rest of my breakfast (more fatty and starchy). Multivitamin is mostly water soluble so it pairs well with fruit and water (fibers in the fruit draw water into the stomach) and it gets mostly dissolved before the rest of the stack can interact with it (and the rest of the stack except the minerals benefits from fat; vitamin D, fish oil, and now vitamin K2).

@Elliott Here is how spiritual teaching works (or how it doesn't work): "I had this marvellous experience once and I pursued it with these practices and then I became established in this experience. Come sit with me for 4000$ and we'll talk about this experience, these practices. But if you ask me 'do you think I will experience this experience by me doing that?' "No, no, no — what? Are you crazy? At no point did I say that. I just want your 4000$". This is your position.

According to you, all spiritual teachers are conmen. Some are just honest about it and tell it to your face. Some prop themselves up to keep plausible deniability, seem humble and more enlightened and sell more of their stuff. Which is a good thing irrespective. Imagine you're at the top of the Eiffel Tower and somebody is selling parachutes. They are even jumping themselves. Even if they don't say to your face "I believe this is the way, I believe I can help you get to the ground", you see they have put their life on it (invested their life into it) and tried it themselves (used the techniques themselves). The conviction in their actions speaks more than their words.

@Inliytened1 Btw, if you are in the limbo state and you take psychedelics, unless it's a teeny tiny microdose, you will either have an insane ego death (granted you drop the moth identity) or you will have a 5150. So think about that if you want to go on a psychedelic retreat (it might become a psych retreat 😝).

I've talked about this before but I think these are a gradual uncovering of different intellectual/doctrinal interpretations of the same experience. The fact that the order is fuzzy also indicates this. The cases where you have a fundamental different quality to them is more akin to the Ramaji map or other maps. If you're stuck in the "limbo" stage (Ramaji 590s or so), it's likely you've really only glimpsed 600s (Self-realization) or maybe 700s (Cosmic consciousness), but less likely proper God consciousness (800s). Jumping to 800s from below 600s is probably really only feasible with high-octane psychedelics like 5-MeO-DMT (I assume you also went through all of this sober), and that's of course also initially temporary.