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Do you actually say that saving even one person that may be harmed by a person under psychedelics influence, is not counted?

In case that it is not a metaphor, are you going to use fire under the influence of psychedelics, or first you wait that the influence is over?

Do you have the same control about your activity under psychedelics influence than without it?

Is that what you are going to say to parents that their child was killed by a person that drove a car under psychedelics influence?

Are you going to use fire under the influence of psychedelics, or first you wait that the influence is over?

How can you be sure about that?

Is that what you are going to say to parents that their child was killed by a person that drove a car under psychedelics influence?

Please explain exactly why I am playing the messiah by asking a straightforward question which is: What do you say to parents that their child was killed by a person that drove a car under psychedelics influence?

Let's be clearer. What do you say to parents that their child was killed by a person that drove a car under psychedelics influence?

Can you guarantee that you are more responsible under drugs' influence than without them, in a given situation?

I got over it. But life goes on and other persons can be harmed by psychedelics every day. What do you say to persons that their child was killed by a person under psychedelics influence?

Dodo, in my example Nehm is not dreaming. In this case does he responsible in case that he is driving a car under the influence of some psychedelics, and kill some person?

Because it ripped me up so badly until I needed several years to recover. Unfortunately there are many persons around the globe that were harmed by psychedelics and they did not recover till their last day. Moreover, there are many persons around the globe that were harmed by persons under psychedelics' influence. In other words, from my own experience, and by the facts that there are many persons around the globe that are harmed by psychedelics every day, it is (by understatement) not a safe tool for enlightenment. ------------------- I am still waiting to Leo's honest answers to my questions to him.

Nahm, you say: "psychedelics helped me to quickly see that psychedelics don’t exist. Neither does fear, doubt, worry, stress, suffering, lack, shortage, or another entity who bares any responsibility for me because I am alone, and I am free." I have some question for you. Are you free of any responsibility in case that you are driving a car under the influence of some psychedelics, and kill some person?

Anyway, I really hope for Leo's honest answers to my questions in this post .

You said: "And neither me or you can claim to be a ripped open bud" Well here is your ripped open bud time period by your own words:"I've experienced psychosis/depression after a strong shroom trip at 16, it destablized my life/psyche ..." The fact that you got over it (and I am really glad to hear it from you) does not change the fact that you were "a ripped open bud". -------------------------- Please share with us some concrete examples of how your current awareness may help you or others to be evolved in daily life. Do you think that it can be done without using shrooms (by using only your natural chemical stuff in your brain)?

AlwaysBeNice I got over it. I simply do not wish others to be destroyed and lose preaches time of their life in order to get over it. Therefore I hope to get honest answers to my questions by Leo.

Please share some concrete examples of your fast growth.

@AlwaysBeNice using psychedelics is far from being a game, and so are my questions to Leo. If you choose to use drugs, then it is up to you, but since the results on other persons are not known to you, you have no case in encouraging people to use psychedelics, and this is exactly what Leo does in this website. Since he is already doing it I asked him some questions about this subject, and I really hope to see his honest answers.

@Leo Gura people around the globe take risks every day in order to be developed, yet they have to do their best in order to not be harmed or harm others during development. The keyword in this case is taking RESPONCIBILITY. For example: One does not snapling, climbing mountains, driving a car or a motorcycle, developing new drugs, building houses, using high risk machines etc., without actually learn how to do it by using experts, where a main part of this learning, which is supported by experts, is involved with the best available tools in order to avoid harms during activity. The RESPONCIBILITY to not be harmed or harm others is shared both by the teacher and the student, where the teacher has to do his\her best in order to check if the student actually capable in using the learned stuff. You say: "You misunderstand how this tool is used." Leo please honestly answer to the following questions: 1) Have you actually tried the thing that you are encouraging its use by others. 2) How many times you used it? 3) Are you still using it? 4) Since psychedelics has a unique impact on each person, then how exactly you become an expert that can guide people to use it without being harmed or harm others? 5) Do you think that your videos and this forum are the right tools in order to guide people to use psychedelics without being harmed or harm others? 6) Do you have the courage to take RESPONCIBILITY and go to jail in case that a group of families wins a trial against you for encouraging their children to use drugs, and as a result their lives were destroyed? 7) Can you prove that you are really an expert that can guide people to use psychedelics without being harmed and\or harm others? 8) Do you have the courage to take RESPONCIBILITY and help a child to recover his\her life, which were destroyed by your encouragement to use psychedelics? You say: "If an adult stuck a screwdriver in your nose as a kid, yes, I could understand how you'd dislike screwdrivers and try to warn others about them." 9) Leo, do you think that there is some chance that you are an adult that stuck a screwdriver in some kid's nose by encouraging people to use psychedelics?

I speak from my own experience and it was given to me once by adult people when I was 16 and was not smart enough to say no. It took me years to recover from this experience. Leo, I am aware of the fact that I expose myself here and I am doing it in order to prevent the next victim of this stuff because it can easily ruin once life and definitely his\her healthy growth. I say it again: No flowers will actually bloom by violently opening buds and there are no shortcuts here, linear or non-linear. I suggest you not to be the next Timothy Leary especially when you are encouraging people to use psychedelics without knowing enough about their health background, without any tools that can save them from being harmed and may harm others under the influence of this stuff.

Question: Is Leo Manipulating Us? My answer: If being manipulated means that one causes another one to do things unconsciously, then I personally do not think that Leo uses manipulations since, as much as I get it, he does his best in order to share his notions in such a way that can be criticized by others. Here is some concrete example of disagreement between Leo and me: https://www.actualized.org/forum/topic/15261-struggling-to-understand-evil/?do=findComment&comment=155439 Also see some quote taken from

@AriChi17 well come. If you are stuck, then you may choose another exercise. Anyway, the best that I can give you is no more than an analogy, which is always secondary to your own direct experience, and this is exactly the reason of why nobody but you can do the actual way into enlightenment. Here is my analogy: Origami is the art of paper folding. If you experience folding or hierarchy of folds right from the paper, you may realize that there is actually only the paper, no matter if it is folded or unfolded. What is called one's ego transcends the folded\unfolded duality into Unity. It does not mean that folding or hierarchy of folds are not considered anymore. On the contrary, folding or hierarchy of folds are relative creations of the paper right from its unfolded absolute state. By being aware of the paper right from its unfolded absolute state, without eliminating folding or hierarchy of folds as its relative creative creations, one becomes enlightened. So being enlightened is not less than being both absolute (unfolded aspect) and relative (folded aspect) of the same substance (called paper in this analogy).

@Nahm and Leo thank you. We are both the sailors AND the boat.

The unknown is simply being that does not refer to itself (known as the absolute from the relative point of view, where the relative is the result of being that refers to itself upon infinitely many levels in infinitely many ways). In both cases there is being (non-duality) which does not have a complement.