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@Aaron p too many times I made myself vulnerable in front of strangers just to be hurt and misunderstood by their foolishness. My statement in the beginning sounds cynical, but it is actually a great survival strategy in today's broken world. The wokies made me feel the most excluded, I never felt more excluded than in Stage Green groups. Everything that is not inclusive enough is excluded. If you ar naturally more masculine: disagreeable, dettached from emotions, passionate about exclusive ideas, if your raise above them in any way, they get jealous/offended and you are tacitly avoided. All that while they shout for inclusivity. I don't like to call them Green because Green means and integrated Orange(masculine). It is more like a broken Blue/Green

@Aaron p I can put on Grandmas dress right now and mackup on my face and still be a man. Gender is about behaviour not looks, this is what wokies have to understand. Even their gender studies Godess Judith Butler tells them that: you perform the gender. @Emerald the Vikings are gone. They said:"fuck it, if we stay here longer we will grow pussies."

Bullshit jobs in corporations are a clear example of private sector inefficiency. Libertarians brag about how efficient private sector is. My ass

Tax wealth not work, Gary Stevenson's solution seems the most legit until now. The ideological left is too simple minded and emotionally driven to apply this correctly, they lack systems understanding.

The thing is that we do not live in dictatorships in Europe, but the leftists act like we do. Some people are afraid of change and we have to respect their position.

We have mostly extreme lack of empathy and too much empathy. On the one hand the lack of empathy towards Palestine and other third world cultures feeds terrorism/refugees/hate On the other hand too much empathy of some European countries also feed into far right by receiving too many refugees and not being able to take care of all of them. Tier one groups are like a wrecking ball, they just swinging from one extreme to another wrecking everything around.

The problem is when you are forced to interact with such guys and they don't accept that you are higher status than them. "We are are equals man" In some sense it is not surprising that so many people have enough with wokies. Their worldview is so out of this world. After you figure out how Stuff really works, you see them as you see flat-earthers. The problem is that the woke alternative people find is the Orange red pill

Yup, women just tell you to be kind and be yourself or whatever, then you see the same women sleeping with the ones who don't follow their advice. It is like a test: do you come to me for advice on how to get women? Then you are not good enough to get them. This be kind shit works when she does not have other options. When 100 guys are kind and nice to her, she will choose the one that is kind but also confident, careless, masculine, high status etc.

@Raze word! @Emerald what people like me an Leo are promoting is not manosphere. Manosphere is Stage Orange, which is under the soft egalitarian narrative which overwhelmingly dominates in Scandinavia. We promote something that si above the egalitarian madness of Green. I totally get why you are put off by the children advice. I was also. But after a while I got it. With most women this will work well. In the case of a very mature woman like you, another, more nuanced approach is needed. With you I won't bother applying that technique. I would rather have in mind the feminine-masculine polarity. If you would go into your feminine side, then I would just joke and have fun and lead you or whatever polarity stuff. If you would go into you masculine side, then we would have a more serious, logical conversation like I do with men. But that should to be avoided as much as possible in the attraction phase as I noticed it can lead to disagreement and loss of attraction. For example, I don't think this conversation we have right now will make you very attracted to me. After sex, you will get away with a lot more nonsense and mistakes done. Not that you should make mistakes but some masculine to masculine horn bashing won't end the relationship I mean. Actually my biggest opposition to this treat women like children was that I long for a woman who is mature enough to be able to appreciate my advanced ideas because this is my biggest value. I don't have lots of money or an amazing social circle, the only great value I can offer is my knowledge and advanced teasing/humour which req maturity to be appreciated. The thing is that the Green narrative is NOT working. I don't care how well it sounds, I am a witness of it not working. Come to Sweden and convince yourself. If we do not give clear instructions about what exactly is the difference between men and women, nothing good will come out. If some men misapply what we teach, that is not my problem. I won't give up my smartphone just because some fool misuses smartphones.

We can build rocketships but cannot understand what a man and what a woman is and how to relate to each other. Neither red pill tards or far left softies. It just doesn't stop to amaze me.

@Salvijus yes. How can we cook omelettes without people who are open to break some eggs?

I am a mean person, I should be kicked out of Sweden. Sweden should introduce a non-hippie detector to check every visa applicant

Did I ask you what I should do? I asked how you guys deal with them.

You still deal with them on day to day.

Exactly!! Good points !

Yes I am.

@AION thanks. Yeah I know I cannot change them, I was just curious how you guys interact with them. Intellectually you cant because they will just spin around bullshit or get defensive, jealous, confused etc. and emotionally is also hard because they are boring as hell and afraid to crack good jokes and have fun.

For sure. Even I think I am lame.

Great talk, really enjoyed it. 🙏

Yes there has to be intelectual fodder, otherwise we don't know how to relate to each other. This right here can bring down the happiness in a nation. This is the rhetoric Swedish people get all day and look at them. Women are ok but 95% of men are wimps. This message doesn't work. Brainwashing people to believe man and woman roles are just a fuzzy thing and only the looks makes us different is one of the most dangerous intellectual mistakes we have right now in society. My ex Swedish GF told me most women just cope with their partners because they have no other alternative. Just imagine how sad this sounds, to live a life of quiet desperation. Even the feminist activist I dated was stunned to see that there is an alternative to the nice guy wimp or the macho jerk, she didn't meet someone like that before. I talk with so much courage about this subject because in the last 3 years I researched and contemplated it exclusively. And it completely changed my life. Leo's statement about treating women like children changed my life. I opposed it at first because, as I said, personal experience bias. But in a normal world this is more or less true. I would expand it also to treat most men like children until they prove you wrong. Of course, this would be an insult to children as children are spontaneous, fun and daring but you get the idea. The thing is that women being treated like children is cute, they really love it when a competent man takes care of the harsh survival tasks while she relaxes in her feminine side. Shell and pearl dynamics as Teal says.

Yeah dude sure, the basic rethoric of the "wise" guy on this forum. Someone talks with passion and courage about something and is being called selfish, egomaniac etc. Have some counter-arguments to my statements? Bring it on. Calling me whatever? I don't care. Sometimes I feel like only Leo can be taken seriously on this forum, especially on these niche, sensitive subjects. You guys take rethorics too seriously, you try to find faults in the person, not the content of their statements. But yea, this might be byproducts of the years of consciouness work and love practice you do.

good point. First you need to build your intellectual base by following expereinced teachers. But after learning the basics from experienced sages, you continue on your own path, you contemplate your own ideas. You continue as a lone wolf, not depending on approval and love from a Tier 1 group. Because PURE understanding is more important than some sex or some survival shit. That is where men are forged, in the place where truth is more important than survival. I might take my life tomorrow, who knows, but even if I do that, at least I will be proud that I became a man, that I followed my hero's journey path fighting the dragons instead of staying in the cozy safe village doing yoga with women and children. Of course you continue to read books, watch docs etc. But you won't suck at JP's tit or kiss Judith Butler's rainbow ass. You will be able to draw your own conclusions, your skepticism will be sharp as a japanese knife This is the main reason most people fail in reaching Tier 2, because they are dependent on love/acceptance/sex etc. given by other Tier 1 people. This is no joke. My only friend whom I believed will make it, got lost into Stage Green newage nonsense. And when I tell him he took the wrong path, he tells me that all his Vipassana friends are on his side of argument and I am alone. Just because some Stage Green sheep give you kudos, does not mean you are right. This path is scary, but worth every minute if you make it. I dabbled in all sorts of sports and shit, but finally I feel I'm at the top in one thing, which beats all possible sports. Personal development. The winners of this "sport" will be the happiest in the world, while olympic medalists sit in the bath tub with a bucket of icecream crying. Art of contemplation:' This video has 8k views while Mr. Beast makes billions of views by throwing fucking trains into potholes. This summarizes our level of development right now.

By posting this thread I expected Leo to answer me, who already knows implicitly the whole story. I don't have time and patience to explain the whole Yin-Yang dynamics for you newbies here. I wrote a whole book about this topic, I can't just explain everything to you here. You being here is like me going to some rocket science forum calling the engineers there to be brainwashed because I don't understand simple math. I first recommend you to: Watch Leo's video about Masculinity and Femininity: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SmeDDN1_TSQ&ab_channel=Actualized.org Then read: "Beyoind Mars and Venus" and "Men are from Mars, Women are from Venus" by John Grey Then go more advanced with "The Way of the Superior Man" by David Deida This assumed you have a basic understanding of Spiral Dynamics, developmental psychology, modern vs postmodern culture, paradigm lock, ideology etc.

Ok I don't give shit. Your are here to hear the truth not sugar-coated hippie shit. If you want to hear that go to some Stage Green meditation forum or some shit like that. This is Yellow stuff and Yellow stuff hurts. This is why only +-1% of people are Yellow. This is the only place where I can be truly myself without being cancelled.

Thanks, will finish it today and come with feedback.