Forestluv

@SFRL There are realms beyond reason. Realms magnificently beautiful - I wish every being could experience it.

I think if you experience and understand relative, empathetic and intuitive modes of being you will think differently. Just because you can't imagine it, doesn't mean it doesn't exist.

It's post-rationalisation. It is common for a rationalist to assume a post-rational mode of thinking is pre-rational. One needs to transcend rationality to become aware of post-rational modes of being.

@CreamCat Good point. There may be some residual evolutionary programming. I was thinking in terms of relationships, not an ovulating hook-up.

@Edogowa Conan Consider that Islam has some truth. Buddhism has some truth. Science has some truth. Spirituality has some truth.

Is that a step toward transcending science into an integrated mode of inquiry?

Hmmm, my job is that of a post-rational scientist. How can that be?

Nice perspective. I hadn't thought of it like that. That idea seems to be a big, profound awakening. Do you think most people need small awakenings before reaching that depth? Also, there is a perspective that a person must develop a personality before one can transcend a personality. A couple years ago, I was told that my sense of self was finally strong enough that I could kill it.

@CreamCat @SFRL You guys are seeing things from an Orange lens. There are different lines of development in the SD model - intellectual, emotional, relationships etc. You are saying "What those green women *really* like is an alpha male that can take charge, be decisive, etc". That would make the woman blue or orange. Another way of saying it is: In my personal experience, birds live underwater. I see tons of birds living underwater. Those aren't birds, those are fish. Similarly, women attracted to alpha males are blue/orange, not green. By definition, the highest values for a green woman are: empathy, intuition, caring, human connection, intimacy, egalitarian, vulnerability, talking things out, expressing emotion etc. Those are the highest Green values. If those aren't her highest values in a relationship, then she is NOT green. Just because you don't know green level women, do not mean they don't exist.

@The Blind Sage Different people have different experienes. Some people experience strong visuals, others a strong headspace. You may want to create a mediitative space and trip solo. Personally, I prefer psilocybin for introspective work. Lsd is more extrospective - it’s great for being at one with nature or everyone at a music festival. If you get more interested down the road, there are lots of different psychedelics- more than one of which will resonate with you. I agree with you that level of development influenes trip experience.

Yes. I know plenty of green women. If they have embodied green they would be turned off. I know green women repulsed by even a hint of alpha male. A manly guy holding a gun would make them nauseous

Not to a stage Orange woman. A stage Green woman would be. Their highest values are empathy, love, connection, intuition, community etc. If a tall sexy man had thise attributes, a green woman would be turned on. If it was a tall sexy player, she would be turned off.

Are you sure it was dosed properly?

Those dosages take most people well beyond what you describe. Your lsd may have been underdosed or you may have naturally low sensitivity.

Look at Leo’s stage green list. . . Yoga classes, meditation groups, volunteer work, music festivals, art exhibits. . . The idea is that you are naturally doing these things because you are stage green. If you go to something like a yoga class with the intention of meeting a gal, a stage green woman would pick up on that in an instant and be turned off (healthy green stage women are empathetic and intuitive - they don’t fall for Orange level BS).

@Elysian I would put effort into integrating the experience, rather than trying to categorize it. There are many flavors of mystical/awakening/enlightening experiences. You got a double scoop of a flavor. There are more out there. Once you have more direct experience, they will mature and you will begin to see nuances and subtleties. I’d also be aware of awakened teachers that describe a portion of your experience. Sometimes I find myself saying “Yes! They’ve been there and knows what it’s like!”.

@supremeyingyang Another thought: you likely have some direct post-rational experience. Have you ever met a gal where the two of you had "chemistry"? It just came naturally. The two of you didn't have to figure out how to create the chemistry. You just hit it off. Do you get all logical / rational and analyze the chemistry? Do you try to quantify the chemistry? If one can let go of rational thinking, things get *really* interesting with chemistry on post-rational being.

It’s a great sign that you watched the whole video and didn’t rationalize it away and that you want to learn more. That right there is half the battle. You are further along than 99% of people. I’ve heard several people describe the “can’t turn back” phenomena. It’s like once you get a glimpse of the truth a new energy arises. The truth is an acquired taste. Haha

I’ve had enlightened experiences, but I am not enlightened. The enlightened state is transient and not maintained. However, it has altered my perspective in my unenlightened state. One becomes skeptical to the point everything gets deconstructed and you die. I recommend watching Leo’s recent blog video on skepticism and Nonduality, He explains the process better than I can. To my self, the process is at times beautiful, terrifying, liberating, loving, sad, lonely, connected. There came a point of no return. I can no longer say “Ya know what, I tried this spiritual thing for a while now and it’s just not working for me. I think I’ll try something else”. There was a time I could have turned away, yet I no longer can. I’ve tried several times and can’t. I guess I have to take this to the end. It’s both exciting and scary.

5-meo is like an alarm clock ?

Currently, I don’t feel a strong enough pull to pursue that. Yet, I sense I am evolving in that direction. Well, this is a post-rational thread and you seem to be asking the questions within a rational framework (by assuming only yes/no answers and using a materialist paradigm). If you reached a place of stillness and awakened to a post-rational answer, would you accept it? What if the answer that arose involved the integration of concepts such as purple and discipline? Would you rationalize that answer away as being irrational? Your questions also assumes an observer and object. What if you became aware of a place in which there was no observer or object? Would you let go of the materialist paradigm and explore that area? One can spend a lifetime in rationality. Don’t let spiritual rationality fool you. I estimate I spent over 100,000 hours in a rational thought trap before escaping. . .

I wouldn’t want to do it alone. I would want to be at a Turquoise-level institution with awakened beings where we integrate science, metaphysics and nonduality. This area is just starting to emerge, yet is still considered fringe pseudo-science. If I evolve high enough, I may become a pioneer in this field - yet right now it looks unattainable and too risky to me. Personally, I would like to investigate if mutations are nonrandom and some paranormal phenomena. Yet, my institution wouldn’t be open to that. Yet, if I develop more confidence, I might try to pull it off. Yet stage Yelow stuff is lots of fun to and my institution is very supportive at that level. They just don’t like any whoo whoo stuff.

I’m mindful of how far I can step outside the scientific paradigm and the reactions of my collegues. I can develop my stage yellow without problem at my academic institution. Yet, if I venture too far into Turquoise. I will be labeled a pseudo-scientist or a quack. I’m trying to figure a way to do it without being threatening to my colleagues.

One method is self inquiry. Contemplate something like “what is a thought?”. Do not get rational like “A thought is an impulse in the brain stimulted by neurotransmitters at synapses”. Rather, relax the mind and enter an empty stillness. Observe what arises. Imagine you are observing cells divide under a microscope. Observe your own consciousness. Record “data”. Then allow for integration of data points to create a more holistic view. Be mindful if you start analyzing things rationally. Once you get the hang of it, it’s hella fun,. Rational thought and linear logic bores the hell out of me these days.

Bingo! I think most scientists enter their education in search of what’s true. Then, they get conditioned and cynical. They lose that chil-like curiosity and fascination to discover what IS, just for the sake of discovering what is. IMO, that mindest can help fuel the evolution of science. Many scientists are dogmatic and trapped within the scientific paradigm. You get grants, publications and tenure for following the status quo. Yet, that’s not how you get famous. You get famous in science by overturning dogma and status quo. It’s getting harder and harder to do, but it’s still there. For example, quantuum biology may discover how observation alters the reality of biology at the molecular level. A pioneering scientist may develop new methods to account for this - opening up a whole new generation of biological research. Such a scientist would eventually be seen on a much higher level than your Richard Dawkins type scientists. Yet, our pioneering scientist would likely have to go against the grain and face risks. Personally, I hold back at my work because I’m not yet ready to lose my job.