Forestluv

It is an integrated view

Indeed ?

There is a more expansive view available.

This makes a distinction between “real knowledge” and “a person”. Try to go prior to these concepts.

We often use the scientific method in metaphysics (and vice-versa). They are highly related. I think we are conditioned to believe they are mutually exclusive.

I don’t have an argument. I’m asking for clarity on this point: “This is what is referred to as knowing without the ability to act on knowledge. If one knows but is unable to act on that knowledge, it is the same as not knowing” Does this assume personal agency? As well: “The quote you referenced is illustrative of how people who spontaneously recognize real knowledge, dismiss it out of hand due to there being nothing for the personality to cling to” This also seems to suggest personal agency. I.e. That there is a distinction between “real knowledge” and a “personality” that has agency to dismiss it out of hand.

@Soulbass Leo’s recent video on Love is really good

For sure. Science is a great tool. IMO it would be even better if we incorporated more post-rational being and metaphysics into conducting science. Imagine integrating lessons from 5-meo into science ?

This seems to assume personal agency and free will,

One exercise I do: I go to the place of emptiness and a word arises such as “Genuine”. I sit in the stillness with genuine. No rational thought. And I’m a post-rational scientist ?

So true!

2015. It’s based on a brilliant mathematician with post-rational abilities. His rational collegues saw him as a threat and ostracized him. I haven’t seen it, yet I want to

Your views on post-rational being seem high Green to me. Perhaps transitioning to low Yellow. A Yellow/Turqoise being would have direct experience and understanding of post-rational self-inquiry and contemplation. Perhaps consider exploring this area. Leo made a great video on it. Notice how our conversation on post-rationalism is different than my conversation on post-rationalism with Jack River. It’s not “better” or “worse” - just in a different space.

Have you seen the movie “The Man Who Knew infinity”?

Thanks. You’re good. It’s an area I want to improve. Yellow level sees some value in all perspectives - yet can see some perspectives as better than others. I don’t feel like any one perspective is “mine”. I like to hold multiple perspectives and explire them. I think both you and TJ have perspectives with sone value. I evaluate ideas all day long as part of my job. I’m totally conditioned to do it ?

Exactly, it’s a fun little story. It’s not like I believe it ?

In post-rational being, my thoughts have no more relevance than a bird chirp.

I’m still learning how to “meet people where they are at”.

This seems like green-level post-rational abilities. You may be transitioning to Yellow and developing more sophisticated post-rational abilities.

That’s what helped me. I was a rational scientist for most of my life. Transitioning to green was really uncomfortable for me at times.

@Jack River We scientists use surface-level intuition and metaphysics all the time. Scientists just don’t like admitting it, because they see it as whoo-whoo

@Jack River As well, intuition and metaphysics would strengthen science

Ok, to take it one step further. . . Imagine if one person had 100% of the wealth in the world such that everyone else - 7 billion people - were starving to death. IMO, a blue/orange position is untenable at extremes. Developing relative thinking and empathy helps, yet I think one can work through that view rationally as well.

A beautiful tier1 perspective ?

I have. Once you get sufficient tier2 direct experience, you will be able to see why TJ is orange-centered with immature tier2 views.