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@Andreas According to SD theory, one must transcend a stage to comprehend the next higher stage. How many people in the world have trancended Turquoise? Can you name 1 person that has embodied Turqoise and has elevated to a higher stage? I can’t. Intellectually, it’s fun to conceptualize what coral may be like. We like to be imaginative. Yet according to SD theory we can’t imagine coral until we reach coral. Our level of consciousness is too low. If one wants to modify SD theory, like Ken Wilber, that’s great. Yet, it then becomes a new model.

A stage Orange person cannot design, create or understand stage yellow. Orange is still rational and has not transcended rationality. To Orange, pre-rational and post-rational look the same - irrational. Similarly, a yellow level thinker cannot design, create or understand a level higher than Turquoise before transcending Turquoise. I’ll believe in coral when people who have transcended Turquoise begin to describe coral.

@Andreas @Mohamad Tahmas According to SD theory, a person cannot understand a higher stage. Thus, coral can only be created by individuals evolving beyond Turquoise - these are extremely rare individuals. How many people have transcended Turquoise? 1 in billion? Plus, the SD model breaks down At Turqoise because our current use of language, concepts and images breaks down. My sense is, orange and yellow level thinkers are just making up a new stage prematurely.

@Andreas Who do you think is creating “coral”?

I think he’s veered off the Clare Graves model. I’m not sure if he has a misunderstanding or wants to modify it into his own version.

@petar8p A social field of consciousness

That vid is orange

Isn’t this song about how the world around Syd Barret was like a machine? The money grubbing recording industry, the band and fans that led to his mental collapse. Wish You Were Here is such a sad song in this context

What woukd you consider “proof”?

@The Don Eating spiders is disgusting relative to Americans, yet a yummy snack relative to Cambodians.

In terms of DNA sequence, the two siblings would be 50% similar (it is a bell curve, ranging from 0% to 100% with an average of 50%). We don't know all the factors regarding epigenetic modifications of gene expression. You raise a very good question: would the experiences of the parents during the five year gap influence inheritable epigenetic modifications? If so, to what extent?

And dna memory is not just genetic dna sequence. Our environment/experience interacts with DNA and modifies gene expression via methylation. These epigenetic changes are often long-lasting and inheritable.

I wish we had more of this in English. For example, 10 variations of the word "intuition" to express it's nuances and subtleties.

Great contemplations. I got me thinking about instinct and intuition. The two seem related.

@SFRL There are realms beyond reason. Realms magnificently beautiful - I wish every being could experience it.

I think if you experience and understand relative, empathetic and intuitive modes of being you will think differently. Just because you can't imagine it, doesn't mean it doesn't exist.

It's post-rationalisation. It is common for a rationalist to assume a post-rational mode of thinking is pre-rational. One needs to transcend rationality to become aware of post-rational modes of being.

@CreamCat Good point. There may be some residual evolutionary programming. I was thinking in terms of relationships, not an ovulating hook-up.

@Edogowa Conan Consider that Islam has some truth. Buddhism has some truth. Science has some truth. Spirituality has some truth.

Is that a step toward transcending science into an integrated mode of inquiry?

Hmmm, my job is that of a post-rational scientist. How can that be?

Nice perspective. I hadn't thought of it like that. That idea seems to be a big, profound awakening. Do you think most people need small awakenings before reaching that depth? Also, there is a perspective that a person must develop a personality before one can transcend a personality. A couple years ago, I was told that my sense of self was finally strong enough that I could kill it.

@CreamCat @SFRL You guys are seeing things from an Orange lens. There are different lines of development in the SD model - intellectual, emotional, relationships etc. You are saying "What those green women *really* like is an alpha male that can take charge, be decisive, etc". That would make the woman blue or orange. Another way of saying it is: In my personal experience, birds live underwater. I see tons of birds living underwater. Those aren't birds, those are fish. Similarly, women attracted to alpha males are blue/orange, not green. By definition, the highest values for a green woman are: empathy, intuition, caring, human connection, intimacy, egalitarian, vulnerability, talking things out, expressing emotion etc. Those are the highest Green values. If those aren't her highest values in a relationship, then she is NOT green. Just because you don't know green level women, do not mean they don't exist.

@The Blind Sage Different people have different experienes. Some people experience strong visuals, others a strong headspace. You may want to create a mediitative space and trip solo. Personally, I prefer psilocybin for introspective work. Lsd is more extrospective - it’s great for being at one with nature or everyone at a music festival. If you get more interested down the road, there are lots of different psychedelics- more than one of which will resonate with you. I agree with you that level of development influenes trip experience.