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@Brittany Thank you. I've been looking for examples of Yellow stage women. She is great. That seems like an Orange perspective of what it imagines Yellow to be like. Tier1 is "anti" other Tier1 stages. Tier1 stages demonize each other. Tier2 has transcended and embodied Tier1. Tier2 is not "anti" any stage in Tier1, they no longer demonize other stages. What you are saying is like saying: "College is the rebellion against the 4th grade, like how 4th graders rebelled against 3rd graders. A college student is like a 6th grade brat that throws a temper tantrum because they can't have a piece of candy. So, real college students can be aggressively ant-4th grade. If it's what a 4th grader says, then it must be wrong". This is the perspective of what a 3rd grader imagines 5th grade will be like. College students are soooo much more mature and developed than this. Similarly, Yellow is much more mature and advanced than you are imagining.

That is a huge observation and a major key. One metaphor I like is that a person is at a concert and all they can see are that the restrooms are messy and smell bad. They are missing the beauty of the music, the beauty of the dancing, the beauty of interpersonal connections, deeper levels of love and joy. I was a hardcore scientist with major resistance against many aspects of Green. One thing that helped my transition was to learn Spanish and live within villages in Central and South America. I know this may not be feasible for many people, yet that direct experience was extremely powerful. It helped shatter my existing paradigm. Sometimes, a seeker needs to be willing to seek the Truth at any cost. What that looks like can vary.

@SoonHei You are still seeing duality in "Everything". I.e. parts within a whole. A helpful step for me was. . . If there is One Everything, there cannot be any thing. So, Everything equals No Thing. That got me to a transitional state. I'm still embodying the depth of Everything = Nothing. Form = Formless. It goes much deeper than I had imagined.

At the human level, I would say: to value letting go of attachments and personal identifications.

First, I find it interesting that you used the term "legitimacy". Generally, that term is used to mean to defend a viewpoint with logic and justification. An answer based on logic / justification is at an Orange level. This will likely trigger the Orange within you and put your self into a defensive debate posture. This will reinforce and trap someone at this stage of conscious development. Orange people stay trapped in this stage because they want/ expect "facts, evidence, reason and logic". They will debate and argue at this level for years and years and years. . . To reach a higher conscious stage, you will need to let go of your desire for what you consider to be "facts, evidence and logic". You would need to go post-logical. This is extremely difficult at this stage of development because the higher stages look irrational and "woo woo". And there are no "guarantees" that the next stage isn't a bunch of bullshit. Who wants to get taken for a fool? IMO, your question will likely trigger an objectivist viewpoint. I would put all my effort into learning and embodying relativism and nonlogical modes of being - which is a stage further along than objectivism. The topic you choose is unimportant. The mode of being is important. Be an observer to your self. Notice how your self is attached to ideas. Notice how your self is "safe in it's head". Notice how the mind wants to analyze and be logical. It has nothing to do with populism itself. It has to do with how the mind holds ideas about populism.

In terms of Leo's Ox video, you are seeing the tracks of the Ox. Don't give up. Once you "see" the Ox in your direct experience, it will rock your world.

@Shakazulu At this stage, it might be helpful to contemplate "Everything / Nothing". If you imagine Everything, there is ONE Everything. There is no thing. Any thing you imagine is within Everything. So Everything = No Thing = Nothing. At early stages, the concept of "Everything" seems overly simplistic and is overlooked and dismissed. Yet at intermediate stages, it becomes deeply profound. Some of my most uncomfortable realizations were facing "Everything / Nothing", through direct experience. Understanding and embodying Everything / Nothing is an enormous step forward along the path IME. To integrate this with Nahm's comment: Any thing you imagine is within Everything. So any image isn't It. It is unimaginable. Everything really really really means Everything.

@Butters "Those who hear not the music think the dancers mad"

That is beautiful @Seiden And I second the sentiment. That is one of the highest quality spiritual teachings I’ve seen.

Heehee. I promoted it as very “interdisciplinary, with an abundance of diverse perspectives” And to throw them off my trail, I titled the course “The Evolution of Consciosness”. That little bit of Darwinian pixie dust was just enough fragrance to relax their resistance. A little bit of Turquoise Ninja. . . Btw, your work on SD got me hooked and inspired me to teach it.

@zambize SD is inherently a meta view. It can’t be taught well from a Tier1 perspective. I teach it at a college from a Yellow perspective. It’s difficult for students at their developmental level. We spend 20 minutes each class in meditation and discussion on attachments/identification. After a several weeks, their minds opened up quite a bit to relative perspectives.

She is Green alright, yet never touched Turquoise. She has some really strong attachment/identification to climate change. I haven’t seen someone challenge Mooji so strongly.

Perhaps you’ve had some glimpses into awakening and the ego is resisting

@caelanb I think Clare Graves died before his work was published and never gained traction like Maslow’s hierarchy of needs did. I teach the basics of SD at a college, yet my colleagues have never heard if it.

I would try “Do Nothing” meditation as per Leo’s video. Trying to stop a busy mind generally makes it worse.

IME, the mental challenge is surrending control of the mental narrative. Aya is roughly on par with LSD and Shrooms. San Pedro and Ald-52 is more gentle for me. I am not familiar with how to prepare Aya. You would need to research that My understanding is it’s straightforward for a chemist with proper equipment.

I’d say it’s more like surrendering to being all things.

I would be cautious with Aya. Not only can it be mentally challenging, it can be very physically demanding. As well, proper Aya preparation takes skill. It’s not as straightforward as synthesizing LSD. I’ve found Aya to be quite rofoynd, yet I would start off with LSD or DMT. I was grateful I had a few trips under my belt before doing an Aya retreat.

Or like enjoying a bowl of soggy cereal with a dear friend you haven’t seen in years ?♥️

Oooh, Yummy Yellow! ?

Also like drinking a bland Wuuthie out in the cold rain? Relative to context and perspective?

@tecladocasio That can be a a source of resistance for the ego, yet it is from the perspective of the ego. It’s like the ego is saying “I may not be a perfect self, yet why trade me in for an asshole self”?

Blue is a pre-logical binary mode of being. @Aimblack well said Ooooh, nice one! That’s like a refreshing green/yellow smoothie on a warm summer day.

@Gligorije One example is that Green is more developed than Orange for post-logical modes of being.

I’ve had many experiences like that when the self temporarily dissolves away and just awareness remains. Sometimes there is a sense of connection and Oneness, other times it’s uncomfortable.