Forestluv

@Tony 845 “Do you want to become a vegetarian after becoming Enlightened?” That’s like asking: “Do you want to become a vegetarian after you die?” It doesn’t make sense to me.

Yea, that’s the hitch isn’t it? Perhaps “accepting” could be used more as an observer perspective to the no surrender/surrender dynamic. Like watching a battle in a movie and being ok wether the battle continues or if the battalion surrenders. Who knows? Just some ideas swirling around in the ole noggin. ?

@cetus56 I’m guessing: acceptance and allowing things to be as they are - at that point, choice becomes irrelevant.

So the personality doesn’t disappear. The truth of the personality is revealed and attachments/identifications to the personality dissapear. Yes?

Once enlightened, does the mind still work to deconstruct the personality structure? Such as working through a neurosis that may arise due to previous mind-body conditioning.

I think you may be getting closer. ?

I don’t think I can be helpful to you here. Have a good one ☝️

You wrote: “I say expand outside of Truth because one can experience it directly” Who/what is this “one” that can experience it directly?

Who/what is the “one” that can experience it directly?

Great! Keep on expanding ?

Yes, the unimaginable would include all those ideas as well ? You keep trying to cut something out of the whole. You will not be able to figure it out with words and concepts.

It’s unimaginable, yet contains all images. ? And it is unpalatable to a self ?

?‍♂️ ?

One cannot step outside of Truth and objectively measure it by a standard.

It’s probably better to explain it as attachments being within the mind than the brain. Yet, I think it’s close enough for the point I was making

What’s going on in your brain. These are all just ideas. SD is just ideas and concepts. There is no “me” or “you” to take ownership of any knowledge, understanding or experience. Imagine SD is a beautiful play we are watching in a theatre. Then after the curtain call, your self runs up on stage and starts taking bows. (which they love to do).

You’ve got quite the web of attachments and identification there. Start the deconstruction. Look at all the ways the illusory ego is taking ownership of ideas and experiences. Realize that the illusory “me” is constructing self concepts and an identity. Observe, recognize and let go.

A few moves ? Be genuine, open and curious. Let go of attachment to any thing. Put in consistent effort even when it’s uncomfortable, yet don’t grasp to anything, for you will eventually release all that you hold to. Rest in the stillness, yet do not become complacent nor try to avoid disturbances. Experience being human. Express silliness and laughter. Shed a tear when someone says “I love you”. Walk through nature with a child’s mind. Be amazed by flowers, bees and birdsongs. Sit and gaze at a river as it flows to nowhere. Be here now and observe what is actual prior to thoughts and interpretation.

That sounds like a wonderful setting. I would set up a nice meditation space. I’d be prepared for a variety of activities. Meditation and self-inquiry is great. I’ve done yoga as well. During the comedown and afterglow, I like to write and walk in nature. Oh, and lots of music. I like singing bowls and native american flutes (but not the tribal kind).

Nice choices. I’ll add: Inception (movie) and Westworld (series)

The user got a time-out. Let’s let the dust settle and move onward. . .

@Strikr Tone it down. We’re in a troll-free zone

@Emanyalpsid Your thread got several pages of discussion and ran it’s course. It’s innappropriate to start new threads and hijack threads to start forum discussions about how you have been treated unfairly and to troll admins/mods as cult leaders. If you disagree about a lock, just let it go or pm the mod. to explain yourself and get clarity. Disagreement and debate is fine. Just keep it civil.

Emanyalpsid / Feel Good, we have been this this before and you haven’t worked through it. Let go of the poor me victimization.

I closed the second thread because we don’t need a forum discussion that’s all about you and how you have been treated unfairly. There is no need to defend an insecure ego. Just let it go.