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@pluto Beautifully written. Touches the depth of human experience and the ♥️

@Drake140 It’s fine to relate an experience/religious quote/religious insight to an OP’s topic. As well, sometimes a thread can take a detour (with the consent of the OP) that leads to fuitful discussion. Or a thread might have a bit of random humor sprinkled in. Yet, it’s not ok to derail an OP’s topic into a new topic of discussing/interpreting/debating/propagandizing a religious text/beliefs (or another off-topic). Occasionally, a person will do this across multiple threads. There is also a meta view to consider.

Have you watched Leo’s video on 65 keys for a good life? It’s one of my favorites for looking at the big picture of life.

Hijacking threads is against forum guidelines.

Please do not derail/hijack this thread toward a discussion/promoting the Bible/Christianity. Stay on the OP’s topic or start your own thread.

What is it that you desire?

@Leo Gura I hadn’t thought of it like that. It seems like Blue-stage Republicans have been able to define “real” Christian for decades. Perhaps this is loosening. I noticed the liberal “war on Christmas” hasn’t had the *pop* it had years ago. . . I hadn’t considered that Obama could be a genuine Green-level Christian. Now that I think about it, he does remind me of some liberal Christians I knew in hippy Oregon. They were really open-minded and inclusive. Lots of inter-faith/spirituality kinda stuff. It would be nice if that was mainstream.

Could Obama have dropped down to Orange/Green at times yo get closer to the average Orange level of the U.S.? If the average level of the U.S. was Green, I wonder how Obama would have expressed himself. For example, it was pretty obvious to me that he pretended to be a “real” Christian to counter-balance the hysteria that he was a cliset Muslim. I think it was clear he saw value in various faiths and spirituality - and was even inclusive to atheists. If the U.S. was Green-centered, he wouldn’t have had to create the image of being a “real” Christian and could have fully expressed what I sensed was Green/Yellow in this area.

@Joseph Maynor Perhaps Marianne Williamson as VP to sprinkle some Turquoise in there ?‍♂️

I didn’t write anything about truthiness of direct experience or psychedelics. You added that in there. Notice how what I wrote got processed through a filter of pre-conceived beliefs in your mind. That is a hallucination. You just created that reality for yourself. Ta-da! ? Do you have any idea of my impressions of how sober and psychedelic direct experience relate to truth within various objective, relative and absolute contexts? (That would be “no”).

@abrakamowse Cool experiment. ??

That’s the type of stuff I’d love to explore. I just haven’t connected with the right person yet. I connect with faceless energies. At times I wish it was a “teal” person I can call and ask “Duuude. . . Did that just happen to you to?”

Ime, the standard idea of “me” isn’t deep enough. I’ve had to go much deeper to see the manifestation. I’ve gone right into a neurosis that appeared and it stopped. I was like “that can’t happen. That’s impossible”. . . But it just happened, do apparently it is possible. Then I’m like “did I make that happen”? I don’t know the mechanism, yet I’m exploring it. In particular, reconditioning the mind. I’ve gone into my psyche and changed network patterns as if I’m installing a software update. As a side note, when the mind is free from the nonstop story of self and chasing self needs, A LOT of time and space is opened up to explore this type stuff.

It can become really powerful. I was doing some deep yin yoga the other night and was transforming pain sensations through imagination. The creation of warm energy, flairs of radiant energy, pulsating energy. Then I realized I had no idea how deep I was stretching and I could be seriously injuring myself. Yet I didn't care. . . I ended up straining several muscles/joints and could barely walk for two days. Yet the lesson of imagination and creation was totally worth it. . . So much imagination/reality to explore. . .

@Joseph Maynor In hindsight, Blue has never looked so good! ??

@Zeus Yes, the line between real/not real gets blurry. Sometimes there is no difference l. It all just is. I also want to explore these realms as well. Sometimes it gets a bit whacky though. Like I had a weird connection with some guy in Asia I’ve never met. We were both meditating and experience each others minds and bodies. I don’t know if it was “real”, yet the experience sure felt real. It never happened again and nothing came out of it. Just a bizarre mystical experience.

@Maya_0 I’ve had similar appear. A different way of sensing and perceiving. The dissolution of the recurring self thought story opened up a lot of space for new stuff to appear. I was no longer in “la-la” land in my head all the time worrying and trying to figure shit out. I became more present in Now. Then I started noticing a lot of stuff happening Now that I never noticed before - including new ways to sense my surroundings. Occasionally, it can get intense and feel odd - usually in social situations. Several times it became overwhelming and I barely held on. A couple times, I’ve had to remove myself from the social situation - yet this is not always possible. It’s somewhat similar to heightened sensitivity while on a psychedelic.

@Zeus You may be highly sensitive to this realm/frequency. I’ve had communication with beings while my sensitivity was heightened on psychedelics. Like communicating with a spirit guide. I can’t yet turn it on yet without psyches. It’s usually weaker. Or it hits me hard from out of nowhere. At first it was uncomfortable, yet I’ve relaxed into it. I consider them teachers, just in a different form. There are physical teachers, dream teachers and energetic teachers. Each form of teacher has value, yet it doesn’t all resonate with me. Just like not all of Mooji’s or Tolle’s stuff resonates, some of the mystical teacher stuff doesn’t resonate. Currently, I’ve got one spirit showing me some type of energetic locating phenomenon. I’m really curious, yet don’t know if it’s simply imagination or real at this point.

@How to be wise You are missing points that Emerald, Leo and I have been trying to show you - that you have an immature understanding of absolute and relative. Absolute is not the cessation of thoughts and the disappearance of relative. Reduced thinking will likely help to relax one’s own mind-body. Yet even without thoughts, there is still existence. Thoughts are the tip of the iceberg. Spend some time in thoughtless mind states and see for yourself how much existence there is.

Great. So I just won’t think. That way all the pain and harm in the world won’t exist! I will live on my meditation cushion in a blissful refuge to escape the world. Previously, I used thought stories to escape and try to make myself feel better, yet this sounds sooo much better. Just don’t think and nothing will exist. I can escape into a blissful no-thought refuge in my world within a cave. Thoughts are the tip of the iceberg. It goes much much deeper. Reality isn’t dependent on thoughts. Thoughts are within reality. Spend an hour each day in a thoughtless state and see for yourself.

Thoughts are a tiny portion of the deconstruction process. There is much deeper to go. Going prior to thoughts is the very beginning. If there was a two hour movie showing construction from nothing to everything, thoughts would appear 1hr: 59min into the movie. It’s not even close to the start.

@Emerald ??

I did not say the work was being motivated by fear or guilt. As long as I don’t think about it, no work even needs to be done! By your logic, as long as I don’t think about world hunger it doesn’t exist. Why feel fear or guilt? I’m going to cure world hunger tonight by watching a movie and not thinking about it! All those starving kids in Africa can thank me later! I’m happy and all those kids have full bellies!! ?

My guess is that it insulates a person from the consequences of the political views they identify with.

@Anderz Does that justify Trump’s practice of detaining immigrant children in cages? Do two wrongs make a right? Do the separated caged children suffer less? . . . Or does it serve to insulate a person and their political views they are attached to and identify with?