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@lmfao Ahhh yes. One of the deepest human desires: to just Be. We think we are so evolved, yet can’t do something every other plant, animal and thing on earth does effortlessly: just Be. We spend our lives chasing something so simple that is available to us every moment.

@arlin I’d recommend finding a teacher that resonates with you. Yoga with Adrienne is very mind-body-spirit integrated. She is super loving, gentle stage green/yellow. For more kick ass challenging power yoga, check out also yoga. They get pretty serious tho. https://www.aloyoga.com/blogs/videos

@arlin Yes. Tons of YouTube videos. It slow and chill. It’s like meditative yoga. The postures are held for 4-8 minutes, which can be challenging in it’s own way. Yet one can go deeper and deeper into uncomfortable relaxation. My favorite is Aprille Walker at yoga ranger studio. She has all sorts of different videos focusing on body energetics. Maybe a few on emotions, yet that’s not her direct focus.

There are many forms of yoga. Different forms focus on different aspects. In terms of amount of relaxation and body motion - slowest to fastest: Restorative, Kriya, Yin, Kundalini, Hatha, Vinyasa. I do multiple forms and prefer yin yoga in releasing blocks.

Same here ??

@Anderz It’s cool to watch your mind creating sophisticated models. It’s like watching an artist create music. ❤️ ?

@Anderz Sounds good. As well, sometimes it’s nice to experience what IS simply as it IS, without any models added in. . . And sometimes creating models can be fun entertainment. I also find creating art and food meals can be fun entertainment too.

Of course, yet they are not necessary. They are simply appearances in Now with no more relevance than a dog barking or a train passing by. All appearances in Now. Now can also be absent of all thoughts and models. Thoughts and models can be fun stuff to entertain a mind, yet thoughtless Now is deeply intimate with Now. Spend an hour or so without a thought - the direct experience of thoughtless Now is deeply profound. It blows any model away, ime. Yet to each their own - some minds like to get immersed in thought stories - that’s cool too ?

You are experiencing a classic yellow vs mustard duality delusion. Upon transcendence is the realization and embodiment of absolute yellow. It can be uncomfortable at first, especially since one can no longer differentiate between their sports team and the opposing team. Yet the bright side is that it makes toads and dragonflies look really cool at night. And as an extra bonus, the song “Yellow” by Coldplay will take on whole new meaning. ?

Notice the relationship between engaging in mental thought stories and the feelings experienced in the body. What is happening right Now? Here and Now - not off in la-la land of imaginative thought stories of reincarnation, nirvana and what could happen in future lives of pain and suffering. Humans seek to return home to Here and Now. It cannot be found in any other place or time. Only Here and Now.

I agree that is an interesting model. And what is Now without any models, definitions and meanings?

Nice insight. My sense is many of us are at different “places” with this. Sometimes a mind wants to protect and reinforce that boundary - this can provide a sense of grounding and stability to the mind and body. Other times a mind is in what subjectively feels like a process of dissolving that boundary. Exploring, questioning, observing, contemplating. This can seem intriguing, fascinating and enlightening. And also ungrounded, unstable, uncomfortable and scary. I like how you say direct experience says differently. Without the thought stories, the duality between creator and creation dissolves and there is pure Beingness. Is this along the lines of what you are pointing at?

@Anderz Does not the concept of evolution and change require a construct of a timeline? Can Now evolve? Can Now change without imaginations of past and future?

@Gili Trawangan Welcome to the forum. Great introspections and questions. Notice how the mind likes to contextualize direct experience of Now into experience stories. The direct experience of Now is not the contextualization of “prior” experience into a story (the contextualization of “prior” experience into a story are more appearances Now). The mind loves to imagine. That’s just what human minds do. Such imaginations can be deeply mysterious and magnificent. They can also be scary and painful. At the personal level, the mind would love to figure out the mechanism of cause and effect. Imagine the power of such knowing. Perhaps a human can mold and create it’s own reality. Perhaps it’s “above” a human mind. Perhaps it’s all One within appearances arising. An inter-connected consciousness. It’s fun to explore, yet a mind can can get so immersed into such explorations and thought stories it can lose presence of Now.

@Arcangelo That’s like eating an amazing Ceviche and saying “I now know what South America is ALL about”. There is much much more to explore, Be and learn in Turquoise.

@Aldo Sit in nature for a while and simply observe. The flowing stream, the breeze, the trees, birds and chipmunks. All just being. Is it “humble”?. . . It just is. Beingness. Humility is just another thought story human minds add in. Let go of all the thought stories and just Be. Here and Now. Just observe without the distraction of all these thought stories. They seem super important to the human, yet they have no more relevance than anything else happening Now.

@Bill W We are all the Fellowship of the Spirit. ❤️ ?

@Charlotte A strong trip is golden, yet it also can be a huge energy drain on the mind and body. It’s like expanding two conscious levels and having years worth of direct experience in one day. Then, condensing that into the mind-body. That is a lot to ask of a mind-body. When we break new ground so dramatically, it will feel ungrounded. The mind and body is trying to communicate “whoa! Slow down and rest. Let’s spend some time integrating this and getting grounded”. The mind will want to contextualize and make sense of the experience, yet our previous level of conscious cannot accommodate this depth. It may come up with all sorts of thoughts and images, grasping for a sense of grounding. Since the balance is tilted way over to groundless, I would spend more emphasis on getting re-grounded - do the things that ground you. Yoga, cooking, walks in nature - some routine. Treat your mind and body with love and be grateful it absorbed so much of the divine. It will allow you to expand, yet gradually.

@Nivsch I would say old-school traditional socialism is blue-ish. Yet politics is not my area of interest.

@Nivsch Some people would want to use extreme examples of opposing views to justify their own view as being sensible and normal. Accepting that framework is playing into their assumptions. I would simply reject the statement that extreme left wing is green (since it is not). I would then reframe that left wing is green and right wing is blue. Rather than the term “superior”, I would explain why left green is more mature/developed than right blue. This frame is less adversarial and there is a better chance that a person would be open to learning. As well, I would highlight some blue values and acknowledge some green excess within the framework that green is more developed, overall, than blue. The intellectual understanding of stages up to Green is fairly simple. It’s not the conceptual difficulty that makes it hard to understand/embody, it is the attachment/identification to the beliefs that make it difficult. Usually this is due to unconscious conditioning and emotions, such as insecurity and fear. You can easily win an intellectual debate without winning any hearts or minds. . . For example, why would someone want to evolve from blue to green? What’s in it for them? How would it improve their life and make them happier? . . . That’s the type of thing that softens people up and gets their attention. I would also reduce the emphasis of left vs right, because people already have preconceived beliefs and see right vs left as “me vs them” based on identity politics. This will trigger defense mechanisms

@nowimhere A memory of “it” is simply an appearance Now. That memory can get further contextualized as an experience with meaning by the mind. This memory/experience/contextualiztion isn’t Nothingness. However, the memory/experience/contextualization may have benefit to the human mind and body. I try to maintain awareness of whether attachments and identifications form with the memory/experience/contextualization - because that can lead to a contracted mental state. I haven’t smoked 5-meo, yet I have vaped freebase and plugged HCL. Vaping is much shorter in duration with a milder afterglow. Yet, vaping offers the ability to modulate the intensity/experience in real time. For me, plugging duration is usually about 20 of full immersion and about 40min. of afterglow. Yet it’s a gradual process, there isn’t a “switch” from immersion to afterglow.

I’ve had similar feelings and they’ve also had a profound impact on me ?

I would say the direct experience in the moment is muuuch closer than trying to imagine, figure it out or explain. Yet I’ve found simple images can be helpful. In this no anything, was there a sense that there was a “you” trying to imagine “nothing”? For example, in that space was there an observer that might think something like “wow, that nothingness is really cool”. Or, was there simply Nothing with no thoughts or observer? And then the bubble suddenly appeared with sudden awareness observing the bubble. In terms of thoughts, something like “whoa, a bubble. Hey, I’m back. What just happened? Did I disappear into Nothing just then”? Maybe not those exact thoughts, the “sense” of it is more important. In other words, was the appearance of the bubble necessary to realize there was Nothingness prior to the bubble?

@1liamo78 I’ve been observing images and imagination play out in my mind. It’s fascinating to observe what my mind and body considers “imagination” and “reality”. In the imagery you describe, it seems like “nothing” is based on lack of things outside of the bubble with things. Outside the bubble there are no things to make distinctions between. There is no thing relative to any other thing. Inside the bubble, we have things that we compare to each other. This is a carrot which is not that hammer. . . Could we also see everything inside the bubble as One thing? One Everything. There is only one thing - everything. That is the same as no-thing, nothing, because there are no longer two things to be compared to each other.

Sounds like transcendence of the sit/stand fallacy. Breakthrough can be uncomfortable to the mind-body, yet the liberation is so worth it ☺️?