Forestluv

Personal development takes work and effort. If one isn’t willing to watch an hour video and post their impressions and questions, they shouldn’t be starting threads asking people that have actually watched the video to explain the video. It detracts from people that are genuinely putting in time and effort to learn and develop. This isn’t a classroom of entitlement and spoon feeding.

This reminds me of a student that comes to class without reading the book. Then interrupts class discussion to ask “What was the book about?” And then gets upset when the teacher tells him to do his homework and read the book. ? (You do realize that Leo just put a lot of time and effort into producing today’s video on authority, right?).

As is every seeker at the human level. Humans seek relief from fear and seek comfort. Ime, that’s not the main thrust of 5-meo and psychedelics. At a human level, they can offer awareness of human conditioning and personality dynamics. In doing so, they offer insight into what personality dynamics are present - allowing an opportunity to deconstruct and clear. At the physical human level, psychedelics are not some magic potion that will cure a human mind-body of a lifetime of conditioning. If someone with a broken arm takes 5-meo, they will still have a broken arm the next day. Similarly, a person with a particular neural network pattern who takes 5-meo will still have that neural network pattern the next day. However, psychedelics allow for reconditioning, rewiring and healing of the mind and body (when used responsibly and with skill). Yet this can take years of dedicated work with meditation, yoga, psychologists, psychedelics etc. These doubts and fears are programmed and conditioned into the human mind and body. If one is lucky, one or two psychedelic trips will offer such profound insights that such conditioning permanently disappears. Yet one is more likely to get increased awareness and have to work on deconstructing and letting go of ingrained patterns. With higher doses of psychedelics, one doesn’t get to decide what is fine and not fine. One must surrender ALL. One walks through the doorway without knowing what lies on the other side. It can be expanded love, deep revelations, comedy, whacky nonsense, insanity or horror. Generally over time, as one gains experience and deconstructs egoic dynamics, there is a shift away from anxiety/panic/fear toward love/revelations/wisdom. Based on what you have described, it seems like your psychedelic experiences with mushrooms and 5-Meo may be revealing anxiety, insecurity and fear dynamics that are conditioned into the brain and mind. I’ve had a similar dynamic, likely due to a lot of conditioning of feeling unsafe in environments and powerless to change or escape it. I’d say my first 20 of 30 trips involved anxiety and panic dynamics. After a few days, I seemed to bounce back and be ready to go again. Yet now my understanding is that these can be mini traumas that pile up. I would listen to the body and take it’s advice seriously. To listen to one’s intuition and body sense over thought stories (which are based on self and fear). For someone with anxiety and fear dynamics, I would strongly suggest tripping in environments that feel safe with trusted people (or solo). Environments in which a mind-body is spooked out before even ingesting the substance is not the best, ime. If you have the resources, I would also suggest seeking assistance, perhaps psychoanalysis or EMDR. As well, I would encourage one to create a supportive, loving network of friends. Ime, psychedelics are a powerful teacher - yet if one is not at an experienced mature spiritual level there is often difficulty interpreting, integrating and embodying psychedelic experiences alone.

Well sure, at times there are nuances. Yet when one reaches a certain level of development and fluency it becomes pretty obvious. For example, a fluent native English speaker can easily recognize someone learning English. A University Calculus professor can easily identify a student learning algebra. And a person centered in Yellow can easily identify someone learning blue or orange. For example, a solid Yellow stage thinker could easily see someone who is limited to binary thinking and lacks an understanding of relativism. It’s quite obvious.

@bejapuskas Regressive ideas are always present in society. There is always resistance to progressing and evolving upward. There will be people who want to maintain the status quo and there privilege. I’m not sure of the most effective way to deal with such regressive energy to allow progress. Throughout history, there have been both violent and nonviolent means to dissolve such regression.

@intrastellar My donkey metaphor seemed ineffective. I’m referring to open-mindedness of ideas, not judging people based in their ideas. Perhaps a better metaphor: The idea of replacing the London subway system with donkeys. If you were on the London Board of Transportation, you would have the maturity to immediately recognize that this is a juvenile idea which is bad for London transportation. This is not being closed-minded. In terms of SD, transitioning into Tier2 involves a trans-personal evolution. Attachment and identification to ideas dissolves and there isn’t a sense of *my* perspective and *your* perspective. There isn’t the energy to be right at a personal level. There are simply ideas and perspectives floating around. The perspective that we should consider rescinding women’s right to vote is simply an idea. We don’t need to place ownership of the idea to anyone. We don’t need to identify with the idea or the opposing idea. We can simply consider the idea. The idea is a very regressive one. This idea was relevant over one hundred years ago. Other regressive ideas would include stoning women and reestablishing slavery. There is no need to introduce personalities into our consideration. We can simply see that these are regressive ideas that do not warrant serious consideration in adopting as social policy. Just because it is an idea does automatically grant it legitimacy for consideration. These types of ideas are indicative of poorly developed minds. In terms of consciousness expansion, they are at a child’s level of development. If teachers were planning a school trip to China and the children wanted to fly there on unicorns, the teachers would be at a developmental stage and maturity to recognize that this is not the best idea. However, the children are not at this development stage and might get upset because they can’t travel via unicorn like in the movies. We would not judge the children for their idea because it is appropriate for their developmental stage. Similarly, Elliott’s idea is appropriate for his developmental stage. The idea rises from an early stage of consciousness development. It is the equivalent stage of a child. There is no need to judge Elliott personally, as this is a perfect expression of his developmental stage. However those at a more developed stage of consciousness can see his ideas are regressive and arise from an earlier developmental stage. In a relative context of social evolution, they just don’t carry the same weight as higher conscious ideas.

@intrastellar I would associate open-mindedness with expansion of consciousness, not contraction. For example in SD, an open mind allows expansion and evolution up the spiral -rather than a contracted regression down the spiral. It would be like telling someone learning advanced Calculus to be open-minded about beginning algebra. At the practical human level, we only have a certain amount of resources and some things are not worth our time and effort. For example, it would be unwise for someone living in a city to spend his time contemplating whether to buy a donkey to commute to work. I don’t consider it to be closed-minded to dismiss this idea as being absurd. It is better that such a person receive therapy rather than be taken seriously. In SD Tier 1, the primary seeking energy is to satisfy the self. Transitioning into Tier 2 involves self transcendence and an energetic shift. There is a new energetic orientation that is not self oriented. Open-mindedness takes on new meaning in Tier 2. As well, there is a deeper understanding of relativism which guides consideration of various perspectives. To learn more, I think Leo described higher level open-mindedness very well in his SD yellow video and his 65 principles for a good life video.

@intrastellar Elliott undercut women oppression by doubting their right to vote. The right to vote is one of the clearest and extreme examples of oppression. It’s a very short putt and Elliott missed it. The failure to clearly acknowledge this indicates Elliott is unable to make the distinction between oppressed and oppressor. These types of underlying suggestions are a manipulative effort for regressive men to maintain power and privilege. It will subconsciously resonate with some men below green on the SD scale. In particular, those with unhealthy red and blue conditioning.

A false equivalency. Women fighting repression for the right to vote is not equivalent to men repressing women and their right to vote.

@Natasha Whoops, I forgot about the gibnut in belize. It’s a rare rodent they serve to royalty. Soooo good ?

Use your imagination. You create reality. ?

@Aakash I don’t mean to imply that contextualizing into an experiential thought story is “bad”. At the human level, it can have benefits and practical value. Yet there is also a tendency for the ego to step in, take ownership and become attached/identified. At the human level, that can cause problems.

Be aware of the mind’s tendency to contextualize experience. There is nothing wrong with that, it’s what human mind’s do. Yet be aware of the tendency to become attached and identified with the memory of an experience. It is no longer direct experience occurring Now. It is a memory and thought story appearing Now.

@Peo On the one hand, it’s a great indicator of a mind and body that let go of attachment and identification. A wonderful glimpse into a state of consciousness. On the other hand, be aware of the mind’s tendency to contextualize the experience and desire to chase the experience. I’ve been there - it is so tempting. Yet I’ve found it best to drop those expectations and desires, let go and be present in the moment. The good news is that there are many flavors of that type of experience and they go much deeper.

What is the strangest / most exotic thing you have eaten? For me, I’d say alligator tail in a New Orleans Cajun restaurant. I’m vegetarian, yet made an exception to try it.

@Ampresus I know a lot of meditators have a “no pain, no gain” mindset - yet I’m at the point in which I don’t resonate with forcing my body into static positions for extended periods that aggravates chronic knee and back pain. That may be great for some, yet I’m not willing to risk a herniated disc. I would highly recommend trying Yin Yoga. Each position is held for 4-8 min. Some positions are uncomfortable and involve letting go and surrender - yet they are not painful. Each position is held long enough to relax deeper and deeper - mentally and physically. The positions rotate through the entire body and offer deep therapeutic relaxation and stretching of muscles, ligaments, tendons and fascia. I’ve reached very deep meditative states of consciousness. And get this. . . it’s actually super healthy for the mind and body. . . And with yin yoga, I’m now able to do 30min. traditional sitting postures pain free.

Ok. By your request, I’ll shut this thread down. I recommend reading through the 5-meo-dmt mega thread. There is a lot of information there.

Posting about drug sourcing is against forum guidelines.

$165 for 25mg is waaay overpriced. It is recommended to start with a low dose of 10mg to test sensitivity and to acclimate, then gradually work your way up - 15mg, 20mg etc. As well, some technique is involved for roa. 5-meo is serious business. I’d recommend starting out with standard psychedelics like lsd - they are also powerful tools.

Both are real imaginations. And please be mindful of strong trips on consecutive days. Be kind and nutritious to your mind and allow time for recovery, reflection and integration ♥️

At the personal level, I’d prefer to use the term “expand” rather than “enlightenment”. Ime, any practice that disrupts a person’s attachment and identification to a grounded sense of reality helps to expand consciousness. Lucid dreaming certainly does this for me. Yet one needs to be receptive. Disregarding dreams as just imaginary hallucinations and not “real”, would severely limit one’s potential. Having direct experience that imagination = reality and waking life is also a dream will open up expansive potential in this area. . . I had tried to lucid dream for years prior to these realizations and was unsuccessful. I was too analytical and just wasn’t open and receptive enough. . . Yet other people puck it up much easier. Especially kids - many kids are masters at lucid dreaming - they haven’t become contracted adults yet.

@Nahm has recently been double certified at the Teal Carebear stage of enlightenment, which is a level higher than the generic nondual enlightenment level. To appeal this certification, one would need to petition the Court of Beyond Absolute Enlightened Masters.

A few things I found helpful starting out: First is to remember dreams and get involved with your dreams. Make it clear to your subconscious and the universe that dreams are now important to you. When I go to bed, I set an intention and request to remember my dreams. As I fall asleep, I imagine dreaming. Also, it’s important to have a dream journal by your bedside and write down every dream. Most dreams occur about 4-6 hours after falling asleep, so it can be a bit inconvenient rising at 4am to write down a dream. . . When I start to recognize a dream and I’m in a semi-lucid state, I might think “wait, this isn’t a real dream, I’m just imagining and thinking” or “I want to go back to sleep, I can write down the dream in the morning ”. Yet I’ve found it essential to write the dream down in the moment or it’s almost guaranteed to be forgotten. Even in the moment, it can be challenging to recall and “catch”. Also, I periodically read over the dreams and reflect on them. Again, this builds a relationship with the dreams. I’m at the point in which I remember 1-3 dreams per night and reach semi-lucid states of consciousness in which I’m acting within the dream semi-consciously, yet it’s not clear whether I’m still dreaming or half awake. I’ve begun to do “reality checks” during the day to better my chances of entering lucid states deeper within the dream. As well, my memories of the dreams have a clear storyline - as clear and real as the storylines of waking life memories. Yet the dreams are not visually vibrant and clear. I also want to improve that.

And the wind, trees, ocean, dreams. . . Seekers put waaay too much emphasis and dependency on human teachers and theories, imo.

Remaining assumes a timeline. There is no remaining in Now, because Now is all there IS. One cannot enter or leave Now. From the personal perspective, the subjective experience is that one is entering, leaving, entering, leaving different states. In other words, a sense of expansion, contraction, expansion, contraction. . .