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I spent a day in the jungles of Belize with a jungle man. We went canoeing in his hand-made canoe. We capsized in the rapids and swam for our lives back to shore. We barley made it to shore before the next rapids ahead. . . . As I sat there, I realized I lost my shoes and cell phone. Then I realized my feet where in a fire ant nest and I was being bitten. As the burning sensation rushed through my body, I jumped up screaming and “dancing” as I frantically tried to get the fire ants off me. . . There was a moment of pause and the jungle man and I started laughing hysterically at the absurdity of it all. . . . It was a beautiful moment of transcendence.

I would say forms of hatha and vinyasa that include a lot of balancing postures.

There are many webs and all webs are interconnected.

@Nivsch There is sooo much more than language. Observe and notice. . . It’s all around us. . . A new relationship with reality is revealed.

That’s beautiful ❤️ ?

@Scholar I see value in creating post-conscious frameworks to transcend pre-consciousness concepts. I also see value in creating post-post-conscious frameworks to transcend post- conscious concept frameworks. And I see value in exploring other realms as well. For me, theorizing can be like painting a painting. I like going deeper and deeper into the painting, I just need to be mindful of becoming mesmerized and captivated by my painting. There are many other realms to explore and directly experience.

@Scholar Creating new constructs that provide grounding to those evolving is a practical contribution. Maps can be fun to create and useful to oneself and others. If you can create improved maps, that is a worthy pursuit. Your maps may resonate well with others. As well, the map is not the territory and it’s helpful to be aware of the tendency to become mesmerized by maps and miss actual territory.

@Scholar

Sounds like the makings of a roof party. . .

From a meta view, there is the question of what IS is. What is red, brings up relativity. On one level, what is red to one mind is green to another mind. For all we know, what you perceive as red I perceive as green - regardless of the underlying neuronal activity. Yet on another level, there is an underlying shared ISness.

Another approach might be to go meta and challenge their assumption of what the structure of science is. If one can’t distinguish between science and non-science how can they believe in the consent of science? . . . . For example, we can discuss how something is both existent and non-existent. We can discuss how existent/nonexistent is both everywhere and nowhere. This sure does sound like woo woo bullshit, yet it’s also called super position in quantum mechanics. Some say it’s pseudo-science led by quacks, others say it is the hard core science with the highest predictive power of all science.. . . . Another example is entanglement - instantaneous communication over distance. Is this New Age ESP bullshit? Even Einstein called it bs - “spooky action at a distance”. Yet the Nobel Prize in science thinks differently. And then there is multiple dimensions - Airy Fairy delusions of charlatans or String Theory science conducted by respected science with million dollar grants?

My mind got too caught up in the underlying structure and I missed the content. Sorry about that. I think the content of that video is great and it gives a good framework for direct experience. I like how it constructs from Nothing to Everything and back full circle to Nothing. Such that Everything = Nothing. Ime, psychedelics can allow for conscious awareness of these different dimensions. I’ve been on trips in which there where multiple dimensions as the movie suggests. For example, one trip was like being within a dimension within a dimension within a dimension. I was unable to determine which was the “true” dimension. . . On another trip, time was so distorted. I was questioning what I should do. Should I meditate? Watch a vide? Listen to music? Write in my journal? Yet this was beyond the 3/4 dimension of doing stuff in a timeline. It had done, was doing and will do all of those activities. My mind-body was so disoriented. Why would I mediate if I just meditated? But how could I have just meditated if I just watched a video. And how can I be journaling if I am meditating? . . . It was like the branching and multiple infinities shown in the video. . .Ime, I’d also say that 5-Meo can help access these dimension and reach the 10th dimension in which Everything and Nothing collapse together. . . Ime, 5-Meo is so pure and clear it doesn’t give the best details of each dimension. It’s like a fast rack to 10. . . For me, other psyches like shrooms or LSD are better for a direct experience of particular facets of each dimension - like the example I gave above. I think it would be extremely difficult to access such dimensions without psychedelics. Our brains have evolved and been conditioned for 3D/4D and it’s hard to resonate with 5D+. Similar to how a donkey is in tune with 3D and it would be hard for a donkey to access 4D.

I also find it odd when a man says “I understand how women work”. Especially since they have zero direct experience of being a woman. This is an exercise I do in one of my classes: I go to the chalkboard and tell the class I will ask them a question and I want them to call out ideas. I then say “First I’ll ask the males in the class ‘Tell me all the actions you take on a daily basis to protect yourself from sexual harassment and sexual assault”. . . Silence. . . The guys look confused. . . They don’t know if this is a trick question. . . Sometimes I tease them and say “C’mon guys, don’t be shy - let it out”. Nothing. . . . Then I ask the woman the same question and they give rapid fire answers. I’m now writing as fast as I can on the board and can’t keep up with them. I’d say about 30% of the males have a realization that they know very little about actually living as a woman. Also that they have privilege - they don’t need to worry about protecting themself and they don’t need to be concerned about it. I think part of the impact comes because the students are blindsided. I teach science classes and they are not expecting a science teacher to do anything like this. I’m also male, and they are taken off-guard that a male is doing this. If it was a female professor, I think most of the males would dismiss her as “yea, yea. . . another woman trying to tell us about sexual harassment and how hard they have it.”

I think misinterpreted the original question and have a better understanding now. The questions may seem straightforward and simple, yet I think at an existential level they go very deep and can be difficult to discuss through images and language. If I understand the context, I would use the term “awakening” or “revealed”. For example “Can someone awaken to the 10th dimension like one can awaken to God?” or “Can the 10th dimension be revealed like God can be revealed? “. In this context, I would yes - there is a similar essence common to awakenings / revelations. Asking whether God is the same as XXXis a different question, imo. In one perspective, God is Everything, so everything is God. Yet God is also used in different contexts, like as a type of entity. I like the idea of realms and dimensions. Yet personally, I don’t like using the term 10th dimension as synonymous with One/Infinity/Nonduality/Universe/Everything etc. I like trying to be as direct as possible and use pointers with the fewest possible steps. Terms like One/Nonduality/Universe/Everything is one step away. It is about as close as we can get. 10th dimension is multiple steps away for me. If there is a 10th dimension, there must be at least 9 other dimensions. What is a dimension? Are there also non-dimensions? Thus I don’t think 10th dimension is a good pointer - it has too many variables which can cause confusion.. . . If I used the term: “The 4th inter-galactic community” as synonymous with nonduality, it would likely cause confusion.

This is a block to expansion. Many women on the forum have tried to communicate to men “That’s not quite how women work” and then explain aspects of woman-ness. Many men respond by correcting the woman with their own idea of how women work. This will keep a man locked in their own paradigm. I’m not saying male perspectives lack value, I’m saying female perspectives have value. If we want to spandex and deepen our understanding of woman-ness, the experiences and perspectives of actual women are important.

@Jahmaine Whether terms are the same, different or similar is nuanced. To me, the way you define “10th dimension” has similarities to the way many people describe god/One/infinite. I am comfortable using terms like10thdimension/reality/infinite/one/universe/God/nothing/consciousness as synonyms. For example God is Everything. I’m also comfortable with drawing distinctions and creating different facets. For example, there is awakening to the facet God and awakening to the facet of Infinity. Leo describes this in his facets of awakening video. Terms are great to create maps and maps can be useful, yet the ,map is not the territory.

@Jahmaine I think you are entering areas that are transcendent to language and logic, so it becomes difficult to communicate. Asking if the 10th dimension is “the same” as God is a relative question. We are asking if two things are “the same” or “different”. We are asking if two things are actually one thing. It’s easy to start conflating absolute and relative. We could be pragmatic and simply say “yes or no”. Yet the underlying substance is much more nuanced. . . Leo made some good videos in this area on “Sameness vs difference” and Relativity.

Access to what? If the 10th dimension is everything, then there is nothing to gain access to. Rather than how to access the 10th dimension, the better question is how to not access the 10th dimension. There would be no escape from the 10th dimension. An everything dimension includes the experience of oneness. It also includes the experience of separateness. With that said, most humans are highly conditioned into a dualistic / separate mindset, so direct nondual experience of oneness is a key to expansion. Yet the tendency is to become attached/identified to a nondual creation. This creates a duality of nondual vs. dual. Or a duality of 10th dimension vs. Not 10th dimension. . . I think images and constructs of dimensions/realms are awesome to explore and can be helpful. I’ve taken many trips with psychedelics and have explored many realms/dimensions. Yet at the end of the day, it’s all within all encompassing Everything. Which deconstructs to Nothing. Everything I write is within the everything realm, as well as the opposite of what I write. It’s not a truth and a lie. As well as every variation and interpretation of what is written. “the 10th dimension in the video above is described as “imagine all the possible branches for all the possible timelines of all the possible universes” I like that imagery. We can deconstruct even further. . . What is a possibility? What is a branch? What is a timeline? What is a Universe? These are all distinctions used for constructing. That’s great. I love constructing as much as I love deconstructing. . . The distinctions used in this construct may seem simple, yet they are highly sophisticated and would take a lot of work and effort to deconstruct. Ime, 5-Meo is the best deconsructor, yet afterwards the mind returns to construction.

It doesn’t seem like you’ve had experience with needy/clingy partners. At first it can seem comforting. It can give a person a sense of worth and importance. It can feel good helping another with their issues and meeting their needs. It can feel good when someone says “I need you. I can’t live without you. Promise me we will always be together”. It can be like a romantic movie. Yet then the movie changes into a horror movie. It becomes suffocating. Everything becomes about their needs and insecurities. You become responsible for meeting their needs and for their feelings. There is intense underlying fear you will leave. “I saw how you looked at her. That means you like her and are want to leave me. I bet you are sleeping with her. You don’t really love me, do you? Show me you love me, I can’t live without you. Something bad might happen if you leave me. . . ..” . . . It’s awful and all you want relief. Yet there is no escape. If a person gets too immersed, they become trapped and it becomes difficult to get out. If needy/clingy is mixed with the desire to control/possess, it can get twisted and scary - a bunny in a pot of boiling water kinda stuff. I’ve been in a relationship like this and it’s awful.

If the10th dimension encompasses everything, how can it described in a theoretical construct? Since it encompasses everything, it would include everything outside the construct and everything in opposition of the construct. Thus the 10th dimension is also the opposite of any construct you create.

Oooh, we haven’t started yet. . . . You’ve inspired me to find a way out.

Leo caught me with my hand in the identity cookie jar. Just some self deprecating humor.

The other day I used a “royal let’s”. . . “Ok, let’s clean the laboratory before holiday break”. . . I caught myself and thought “crap, I guess I gotta help out now”.

My new roof theme. Time to start climbing. On the roof's the only place I know Where you just have to wish to make it so Let's go up on the roof

The pronouns “I” and “you” are transcended at an LOC score of 847.