Forestluv

@Vladimir I did an Aya retreat in a small community in the mountains of Peru. There was a very high conscious level within the community, similar to what you describe. I would say it was even higher than yellow into Turqoise. Yet I have a hard time seeing this manifest on a larger scale, like within a city. As well, I wasn’t in the community long enough to pick up on subtle unhealthy dynamics.

The land where WWE is an “essential provider”. I don’t know whether to laugh or cry. . . .

Sounds good. Within the construct you are creating, it is true. I’d be cautious with the idea “I’m looking for what God is” and then creating boundaries for what God can be. That has a big underlying assumption and limiting. For example, you have already ruled out what you call “mind creation” and “holograms” as not what God is. . . . Yet there will still be plenty of space for you to create within the boundaries you created.

The incident happened down the highway from me. So embarrassing. The protestors carried AK47s, confederate flags and blocked access the main hospital with their cars. Trump’s tweet to them was “Liberate Michigan”, which empowered them. Especially since Trump’s tweet was ALL CAPS with exclamation points. That revs up their engines.

Of course within the construct of “Time isn’t real. There is no such thing as dreaming a dream”. . . Time isn’t real and there is no dreaming a dream. Feel free to remain within that construct, nothing wrong with that. Yet you would be missing out on some really good stuff . (Lighten up and explore. . . Boo!! ?)

You could go either way. The nice thing about your friend is that you have inherent trust in each other that can be important. I would start out with a fairly low dose - it won’t be overwhelming, yet it could be underwhelming the first time. Personally, I would rather be underwhelmed than overwhelmed the first time. I would like a trip sitter that has positive energy and is chill. If someone around me is a nervous Nellie, I can pick up on that vibe. If I was a first-timer and I said my reality is turning odd, I’d like a trip sitter that might say something like “it’s ok, I’m here. Go with the flow. It’s love. It’s beautiful”. If the sitter responded “OMG!! Is it supposed to be like this!!?? Maybe you took too much! Should I call the paramedics?”. That energy would cause a turn for the worse. In this case, a nice thing about 5-Meo is that it won’t last too long. A peak of only 20min. or so. I would have the mindset that it will be a beautiful experience. Like a child excited to go on a ride at the amusement park.

1.5g is a good starter dose. I would create a peaceful, familiar setting and provide yourself multiple possible activities: meditation, music, journaling, a video, creating art etc. I find it helpful to allow various activities and do whatever resonates with me. As well, the week prior, I would get into a good mindset. Eat healthy, get exercise, sleep, meditate, yoga that kinda stuff. Also, things like cleaning the house, doing errands, making needed phone calls - so the mind is free and not pre-occupied with what I need to do. During the trip, I would have a positive, light attitude. During the come up, put on some happy music. Smile. 1.5g is well above threshold, yet below the sub-ego death zone for most people. Things will likely get distorted, yet at 1.5g you should still have enough rational sense to talk yourself down if anxiety arises. For example, if the mind starts to have difficulty differentiating between real and imagined, the mind will likely be able to enter and say “this is just temporary illusions due to the shrooms I ate”. I like this intermediate zone a lot. The mind can roll with it and go into some amazing realities. For example, I was hiking in nature on a light dosage as things got weird, I was able to dial it down and think “this is no big deal”, or I could roll with it. I turned my local nature center into a jungle in South America. I became so real, I actually started getting nervous of Pumas. .. . And then I met a park ranger and was able to reel it back in and have a coherent talk with him. Then turn it back on. . . That is the beauty of tripping in the moderate zone.

Yes and no. Your framing is within a personal/human construct. Within that frame, yes. . . There can be a cyclic dynamic of high/low consciousness as well as seeking energy. Ram Dass wrote a nice essay on this. Yet it is a simple binary frame. With enough experience, many nuances are revealed as well as new dynamics at transpersonal/human levels. If your priority is to avoid the distance between low and high conscious states as well as to attain personal benefits that are subjectively permanent, I can see not wanting to use psychedelics.

@DLH At a personal level, introspection for me is easiest at the two extremes. When there’s a mixed-bag, it’s much harder for me to sort through.

A couple things to consider. . . Most of Leo’s videos are highly polished after he has gone through an arduous exploration. He described this in a video on determining truth. He said the process can get messy. Yet we generally haven’t seen that messiness since he only has released polished videos. Lately, he has posted up real time videos of him going through the process. They won’t be as polished as other videos, yet I personally like to see some videos that are raw and show his process. . . Also, most highly evolved people hold back insights because they will be misunderstood by an audience - this can be counter-productive and trigger extreme backlash. Depending on the people I’m with, I hold back on between 10%-90% of my insights. If I shared them all, I would likely have been put into a psychiatric ward. I appreciate that Leo is sharing some of his deepest insights in real time. Personally, I kinda like esoteric and radical ideas. Sometimes they don’t resonate with me, sometimes they make me feel uncomfortable, sometimes they make me intrigued. Yet they almost always prompt contemplation within me, often pushing me beyond my comfort zone and allowing me to expand. . . I’d say about 10% of Leo’s radical ideas don’t resonate with me. Yet I would much rather have that than if he played it safe and didn’t share any radical ideas. It takes a lot of courage to do what he is doing. At the personal, level there is a much easier path he could be taking.

For sure. Leo is one of my favorite minds I’ve ever encountered. He has been one of the biggest influences pulling me up the spiral. I would say he is decades ahead of his time. The content of his videos might become mainstream stuff a few decades into the future. Leo is also one to the best I’ve seen at articulating understanding. Not just how he explains things in words and images. His tone of voice, rhythm and facial expressions are at a very high level in articulating understanding. Only about 10% of communication is words and Leo is very good at the 90% of nonverbal communication. What I’m saying is only partially criticism - it’s also observation and empathy in one particular area.

It doesn’t matter in one context and matters in another context. If a being is only aware of absolute love and has no experience with relative love, how can the being interact with relative love? How can that being give advice to people regarding love-related problems in relationships. How can a person that cannot relate, give advice about self love to someone undergoing self-hate. It’s all Love! Self-hate is Love. If someone suffering asks me how to practice self love, from an absolute perspective, I can tell them to try cutting themself with a razor. It’s all love in Absolute Love. This is conflation between relative and absolute. And the problem of having gaps. If we go the imaginary story route. . . Imagine that there is a movie and I am to play a scuba diver in the movie. I have zero experience in scuba diving and did not practice the role as an actor. I know zero. I go into the movie saying “This movie is just an imaginary story”. I then enter the movie with snorkeling gear and telling people scuba diving is no different than swimming in a kiddie pool. This is nonsense. In the relative sense, I will not be qualified to play a scuba diver. I’m not saying understanding of absolute love has no value. I’m saying there can be a problem when there is a gap of relative experience and conflation of absolute and relative.

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@DLH It looks like I’m not able to articulate well here. I’m not trying to discredit any of your experience or POVs. I think they have a lot of value and I appreciate you sharing them with the forum. That’s not what I’m pointing to. Even given your immense experience into various realms, it doesn’t mean there is nothing missed. Pointing to a potential gap in no way dismisses all the other fillings. You seem to be perceiving me as off-base and have no interest or curiosity in this regard. That’s totally fine, we are simply mirrors to each other of each other. From the POV you seem to be holding, I am off-base with a bee in my bonnet. This is correct from that perception held. Here, I am off-base with a bee in my bonnet. Labeling as “your perspective of amongst many POVs” can be a door closer. There would be no space to explore, which is totally fine. Reality is 100% correct within the reality created. You don’t want to explore room 342 in the Grand Hotel, which is totally cool. Perhaps room 342 has a bunch of cockroaches and a clogged toilet. Or perhaps there isn’t even a room 342. . .

I do not think you have not reached some deeper layers of consciousness and have not gone down rabbit holes. That’s not the point at all. I speak English fluently and I’m at an intermediate level of Spanish. If I focus on my English fluency and am unaware of gaps in my Spanish, I will not be able to increase my Spanish fluency. My English fluency does not compensate for my gaps in Spanish. A mindset of “I don’t have any gaps in Spanish. I speak English fluently”, will prevent more expansive exploration. If I interpret a native Spanish speaker as asleep, scratching the surface and basic - I am shutting the door to exploring this realm. However, having gaps in Spanish doesn’t mean the native Spanish speaker can speak English or Chinese. The native Spanish speaker can have gaps. Nor does it mean I am not fluent in English. What it means is that I am unaware of my gaps in Spanish and don’t have the curiosity or interest in exploring that.

It’s very common for a mind to assume it is aware of that which it is unaware of. . . If you focus on three grains of sand in your hand, the mind will assume it is aware of the depth of sand. The three grains represent 100% of the sand in that person’s field of awareness. If someone aware of the beach, points and says “those three grains in your hand are limited, look up at the beach” - the other person would need to recognize they are missing something and look up. If the person says “I am aware of the depth of the beach” while assuming the three grains of sand in the hand is the beach, they will be unable to expand. This will keep the mind in a contracted state. Assumptions of awareness and knowing is a major block to expansion. Openness and curiosity are keys to expansion. I’m not saying there is anything wrong with sharing ideas, thoughts and beliefs. That’s not what I’m pointing to. What is being pointed to are assumptions and lack of curiosity regarding extensive experience and expertise. Imagine I went to an Ayahuasca retreat with a tribe in Peru and tried to share the understanding of Aya and Peruvian culture I gained through direct experience with someone who had never done Aya and had never been to Peru. After I try to explain a bit, the person says “all that stuff is basic. Here are some books that go deep about Aya and Peru”. There is nothing wrong with those books about Aya and Peru. The problem is closing the door on the person with actual direct experience of Aya and Peru due to assumptions and lack of curiosity. This person will not be able to expand in this area and have missed an opportunity.

I’m pointing at two different orientations. Theory has some value, yet it is limited. If someone tries to interpret the implicit through a lens of explicit, it will be very limited. . . For example, I’ve done a month-long 5-Meo retreat and I will understand someone trying to articulate what a 5-meo retreat is like very differently than someone who has no experience and is interpreting intellectually. Having the direct experience greatly expands one’s lens. It’s possible to get a sense of it without the direct experience, yet this would take a high level of imaginative skill and effort. An intellectual mind closes this door. Notice how you put “You are imagining everything” in your “basic” category. By doing so, you have closed the door to being able to imagine the deeper implicit direct experience Leo is pointing to. As another example, you put Nothing = Everything into your “basic” category. In theoretical terms, it is basic. Yet there are exploratory post-rational realms of experience here that go extremely deep and broad - of which you don’t seem to be aware of. I’ve spent thousands of hours exploring this post-rationally through direct experience. And hundreds of hours in what would be considered “insanity zones” exploring “Nothing = Everything”. It goes way beyond thought stories and theorizing. This has led to a much deeper understanding of “Nothing = Everything”. When someone calls this “basic” it is reflective of a contracted, narrow intellectual view unaware of deeper, expansive levels that cannot be accessed through conceptualizing. It can be somewhat accessible to a mind at a high level of imaginative skill, yet this is would be a very advanced level of imaginative ability. A mind that thinks “yea, yea - everything is imagined - that’s basic stuff” is itself at a very basic level relative to what is available.

A mind that is categorizing these as “basic” is a mind itself at a basic level and unaware of depth and breadth. Usually a mind that is contracted within intellectual theory. Intellectual theories attempt to create explicit understanding. This is a very different orientation than implicit understanding trying to explain itself explicitly. Yet for a mind without the implicit understanding that is revealed through ineffable direct experience, that implicit understanding will be interpreted through an explicit lens - creating misunderstanding. The key is direct experience. If you don’t understand Leo via your own trans-rational experience and implicit understanding, it will be interpreted through a narrow explicit lens. This will make it appear as “basic” and “nothing new”, in comparison to other explicit explanations. One of the keys of expansion is to transcend the theory of others and to explore reality through direct experience rather than relying on what others tell you reality is. A mind that is dependent on the theory of others has Just begun the exploration of reality. I’ve also done a month-long 5-Meo retreat and I have an understanding of what Leo is articulating through experience of the ineffable being pointed to. Analysis and theory alone will misunderstand because it cannot compensate for direct experience.

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@WHO IS I would contemplate “what is imagination” and “who is the imagineer and the imagined?” A few nights ago, I had a dream. The dream character “me” didn’t have a name - lets call him “Paul”. . . .Paul had some type of stressful office job in some corporation in a city. It wasn’t the job he imagined for himself. He wanted to get away for a break, so decided to drive to California to re-unite with some old college friends and re-live ‘the good ole days’. Yet the drive out was quite the hassle. At one point, the road stopped and there was a deep cavern below. Uncrossalbe. Paul finally reached is destination, yet was unable to find parking and got into an argument with some university parking patrol dude that was a wanna be cop. Then Paul couldn’t find his old college buddies. It was so frustrating. This wasn’t what Paul imagined he spring vacation would be like. Why couldn’t the character Paul imagine what he wanted to into the dream? Who is the imagineer and the imagined? Are they separate from each other? Is each imagination within the Imagination separate from each other? Or are all the imaginations and imagineer one imagined dream? Notice how the mind likes to create separations and categories such as “I am real. Why can’t I imagine real things into my real life?”. In the above cartoon your posted, notice the separation of “imagined” and “real”. The top panels are “imagined” and the bottom panels are “real”. What is the inter-relationship between “imagined” and “real”. What happens when this duality collapses and it all becomes “imagined”, such as in the dream scenario above?

This mega thread is for posting examples of yellow, not for lengthy discussions of whether a particular video is actually yellow. Most people in the videos in this thread are not yellow-centered (including Steven Crowder). It becomes difficult to identity spiral levels above one’s own level. In particular, those centered at Orange commonly mis-categorize relatively sophisticated orange as yellow. If anyone would like to have an ongoing discussion/debate about the SD stage of a particular video / person and the criteria of different stages, feel free to start a separate thread.

For me, crying is several evolutionary levels higher than peeing.

That would qualify as ‘outrageous’ !!

I’d take a video with Leo and the Amazon delivery guy at this point ?

Apparently my refresh button doesn’t accelerate YT upload speed. . .