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What happens after the physical death of human? Does our ego disappear forever and we go back to knowing our true self eternally or do we convert to new ego (Reincarnation) ?

After watching Leo's new vdieo (Correcting The Stigma Of Psychedelics) I felt the need to open this topic for discussion. @Leo Gura I agree with you about open mindedness which is essential when researching this topic, but I don't understand why synthetic Psychedelics need to exist at all... The Nature gifted us such a powerful tools as shrooms and 5 Meo, then why is there a need to synthetically create new ones? In my opinion it is far more dangerous to experiment with synthetics because you are not always sure what you are getting (I know about testing kits but still...) Plus I think that they have a potential to harm us in a long run. Yes, md may feel amazing and has potential to completely open you to the music but I think it may be only worth taking once in lifetime and at its purest form in a proper environment. Even Md has potential to fk up your serotonin levels in the brain in long run so what about LSD and other synthetics? Why shouldn't we say NO! to all the synthetics and join the "team nature"?

What is success to me is not the same for you. If we look closer into non-duality topic we can totally refute the notion of success. After achieving Enlightenment with all the major shifts in your life the main shift will happen with your life purpose. We try so hard, contemplate and seek our purpose in life in order to be successful. But it turns into a joke after realizing the Truth of Enlightenment. What will be your grounding point in this egocentric life after realizing this Truth? Every purpose, even one to share this Truth with others becomes irrelevant to you. Maybe that's why the most Enlightened people don't communicate at all. Why would they even care? That's the scary part of Enlightenment - dark side of it - from ego's perspective but anyways it's dark. Reality experiencing itself... While getting fully Enlightened we are pushing away from us the possibility to live our life as ego. Like it is a bad thing - but in reality ego is inseparable from our true self, thus it is necessary. Therefore maybe it's wise to stop at some point and don't try to achieve full Enlightenment. When you have some breakthroughs and see the real possibility of the Truth maybe that's the threshold where it's wise to stop and continue living? Yes that way you don't achieve bliss and highest possibilities of internal happiness but you keep your ego life at the same time realizing that you are just free to experience it as freely as you wish! P.S. When you fully realize the Truth there is no way back, but when you have seen some parts of it through small cracks there is always an option to stop or continue. Maybe that idea of choice is what's worth keeping and experiencing?!

But at the end of the day if there is no free will it won't matter if I let it go or not because there is no choice... That is concept many of you arr saying which yet have to been proven to me through my own experience

Anyways... why should one try synthetic when Leo describes full non-dual experience on shrooms? At the end of the day that's what the most important right? And not how some visuals are more powerful then the other... shrooms are made by earth and as Leo stated in his video their use might be dated 9000 B.C. When did lsd appear??? You keep repeating science when in reality as often turns out many scientists don't know shit when it comes to some topics - they think that they do but some years pass and it turns out that they were drastically wrong... I'm just saying that I trust in what's tasted with long time!

I am not sure about molecule but man made is man made. I don't know in what way they could fk up in the shady laboratory somewhere... Are you sure molecule is molecule? even the slightest difference and deviation can cause side effects... I think it's impossible to get those in their purest forms made in clean laboratories with 100% dedication. At the end of the day those are illegal drugs which are made synthetically evil knows where... We don't even know in what kind of environment are these psychedelics made.

If you believe that there is no possibility for consciousness to preserve some "part" of itself without ego then what's the point of Enlightenment in this or any other future "life"? Even if in this life we become Enlightened we will loose this knowledge in our next ego version... I think it's the opposite. If you become aware of your True self in this life after "physical" death you go back to your True self source without returning as ego again. Maybe you just become aware of whole reality at once even. Of course all this is theory and concept but it's interesting to contemplate on this topic.

Still all these not answers his main question. How Enlightened person can loose his understanding of true nature if he realized that he is not brain after he receives the brain damage? What you are saying is that this understanding of Truth does not happen on brain level, it happens on higher level then how could brain damage interfere with that understanding?

Wow this is amazing!

Just listen to Leo and do what he mentions. Basically you need to surrender to everything, you stop controlling anything even the stop controlling you don't do. You just completely switch "you" off.

Based on my experience its the most effective one and you don't need anything else. It is also the most satisfactory one if you do it properly. I suggest you to do this guided meditation

What do you mean?

What happened to me right now is unbelievable. I am still in the shock! I meditated with Do nothing and surrender technique. I usually set timer at 20 minutes. This time everything went totally different. I got into unbelievable satisfaction of my meditation process. Timer alarm notified me that 20 minutes have passed. I was in such a deep satisfaction and happiness that I just ignored the timer. I literally could not anchor myself. I heared noise from the garden, tap water noise. I literally was everywhere but nowhere! Could not anchor myself anywhere! I've never felt such an ecstasy! I just did not want to open my eyes. For long period of time thoughts totally stopped appearing!!! Totally 0 thought!!! In the end I just got frightened of my state... what if I'm dying?! That was my mistake... I opened my eyes finally and huge wave of satisfactory goosebumps run through my whole body! My eyes were very widely open... I couldn't close my eyes for long time. I was in total shock and couldn't move!! When I looked at the timer more then hour has passed and it felt like 10 minutes for me. I am still in shock right now. Haven't experienced anything like this before... I just felt the importancy to share that moment with you!!! Thank you!

What do you mean it is all illusion? What kind of experience do you have?

I'm trying to contemplate this with absolutely no perspective...

I don't speak all these because I lost motivation or because I want to save my ego life. Right now I feel really detached from egoistic life. My social life is almost equal to 0 because I am practicing deep meditations, inquiry and contemplation almost all of my free time. I also watch and read much about this topic. But... after long contemplation this idea came to my mind that while getting Enlightenment might be so rewarding it is not at the same time. Reality exists as an infinite being of consciousness thus every part of it is essential. Living egoic life is also part of this reality and it's neutral - not good not bad. We are sort of trying to say no to that part of reality. We are trying to push it away from us as if it is bad for us?! We are trying to become meta over it and this is also good but... we loose other side of the coin - living our life as ego. In the Ultimate picture none of them is better or worse then another. Both are part of reality (us) and maybe if everything goes well in your ego life it is ok to stay in it for the sake of experiencing it as it is. Contemplate this with open mind... P.S. IMHO after 100% realization of the Truth the fully Enlightened person would never even speak again... He would simply vanish from this illusion. That's why I suspect that there are no 100% Enlightened people among the living humans...

It depends on how you raise them since the very early ages. And yes I think it's possible.

@iTommy I think it was a useful insight for you. But I wouldn't call it Enlightenment experience because you can't get Enlightened while being on psychedelics I believe...

You are welcome man! Enjoy your trip or whatever you are doing haha

That's the point I completely surrender to it. At that point I'm not even controlling anything

This is insane! What I'm doing with my meditations. It seems like I'm fully mastering the surrender principle. Third day in a row after that experience I get insanely deep meditations which are not only deep and profound but very satisfactory at the same time! Idk what shifted in me but I used to struggle to even meditate for 15 minutes now I don't even want to open my eyes anymore! Today I easily gone more than one hour. I ignored my 20 minalarm again and went deeper! In my approximate calculations after 40 mins I got into very deep trance like being. Boundaries between my body and external environment sort of completely disappeared. Again 0 thoughts and complete stillness in my mind! At some point I started to disolve in some darkness which felt I was disappearing in the present moment of being. I don't know it's very hard to describe. It felt like very close to awakening - like you were at the bottom of ocean holding breath for very long time and when you can't hold any longer you are quickly trying to reach the surface to breathe again. I was like that! It felt like I was close to reach that surface of my real existance and start breathing for real! But I couldn't! I stayed 20 more minutes in that ecstasic state and then realised that I couldn't really reach that surface yet with this season so I opened my eyes... Again shock, wide open eyes, very fast heartbeat! What's happening with me...

Haha that would be funny Leo! But thing is I live in dormitory in different country and definitely don't wanna go out in the garden with my dick hanging out! So as it appears shrooms really have potential to get you in trouble. I better lock my door really well. P.S I hope that kind of "insanity" only happens with very large dose like 30 grams of truffles or smth like that?

@Serotoninluv Do you control your decisions and movements on truffel trip? I mean can I unlock my room door and walk outside bothering other tenants in dormitory not even realizing what I'm doing?

Idk maybe shroom happened haha

@Leo Gura In this video you mention these words: - "this is it! This is the deepest point! I am fully Enlightened!" while describing your trip on mushrooms. So my question is - is a real ego death and Enlightenment experience possible on Mushrooms and truffels as well as you get from 5-Meo-Dmt?