Tyler Robinson

For whatever reason, this comment cracked me up.

This is sadistic thinking sorry. This makes us worse than the criminal. I would forgive a man even if he raped me. I would only hope that he would realize what he did to me was painful. But under no circumstances would I want him tortured. That's an absolute no.

This take is purely based on selfishness and monetary considerations. Money is not important. Life is. If you thought every life is equally important then you wouldn't think this way. If your child was in prison, you certainly would never want your child to be put to death. You act like you're saving the society. By killing someone we get nothing. Do you realize that sometimes it's the prison guards and wardens abuse their power and rape these criminals. You're only judging them off the labels thrown at them. To think that someone is beyond healing and redemption is ludicrous. The criminal justice system is extremely corrupt as someone stated above. It's not so black and white as your stage Orange lenses make it out to be. So think twice before jumping on the bandwagon. When we show empathy, it boomerangs back to us. Show love and it will come back. Show judgement and hate and it will come back too. You're not in the shoes of criminals. Don't be too quick to judge. Most people who apply for a job of a police officer or a jail warden are actually very narcissistic and power hungry people who use these jobs as badges of honor rather than duty. How many cops have slaughtered unarmed people in the line of duty and gotten away with it, simply because they're cops. Should we call them licensed criminals, because that's what they are? Understand that any criminal is always at the receiving end of our judgement/mercy. They can't decide anything for themselves because they are powerless to do so. We as a collective society get to decide the course of their life, and as such we are required to exercise caution. One mistake can put an innocent person to death. Also if we decide to kill a person, how are we different from the criminal? We also did what they did, the only difference being we used some moral justification for it. We should not have the right to abuse someone because they abused someone else. We don't know what systemic factors were at play behind their crimes. And why are you so hell bent on thinking that criminals are simply incapable of rehabilitation and redemption? Where is your scientific reasoning or analysis or data for this? When was it proved that criminals were beyond repair? Who has proved it? So much of what you say is a Stage Green shadow, speculative conjecture and hypothesizing with no real evidence to back up your claims. There aren't too many incidents of criminals attacking nurses or guards etc. Especially on prison grounds. The reason is simple. The prisoners are sent to solitary confinement and much worse conditions if they break rules. A prison is not a five star hotel. Prisoners are regularly reminded how awful they are, they barely get good food to eat, living in a 24/7 cell makes them mentally fragile and so they are easily inclined to follow jail rules and policies. In fact many times prisoners are raped, abused and tortured in the most inhumane ways because they have nobody to defend them. Victims are a part of Vulnerable groups. But so are prisoners. The level of prison abuse is simply unthinkable Imagine if someone was raised to be a psychopath by their awful upbringing and then their fucked up psyche caused them to commit crimes and they were caught and punished and tortured, raped by prison guards and abused by the system. It's like the cycle of abuse never ends and there is zero chance to being a better person. Do you realize that they absolutely had zero chance at a better life, that they were first abused by society and then abused by the prison system with absolutely no escape from this abusive cycle? Why shouldn't they deserve a chance to improve? So does that mean that a rapist will always be a rapist, a thief will always remain a thief, a murderer will always be a murderer? Where is the space for healing and change? If you think that someone who is a psychopath is impossible to adapt, change or become a better person then your thinking is very moralistic,, Judgmental, stage Blue Hitlerian and very myopic. This is one of the reasons why I hate stage Blue. It's so purely moralistic unempathetic and dogmatic.

So humanitarian considerations should be thrown out the window in lieu for an option that appears cheaper? Well done.

Offending a black person using offensive words is re-triggering their buried historical trauma. It's not okay and has zero justification. Using the n word is extremely offensive and shows a complete disregard for a person's mental and emotional state.

The only people so far that I could not have empathy or compassion for even if I tried my hardest are the British grooming gangs To operate in a gang and terrorize women with rape and torture, it's simply inexcusable because they're being frighteningly predatory. Such people don't deserve empathy because they operate in gangs. This cannot be a situation of bad upbringing. It has to be with gaining power using pack mentality. Such people need to be locked away for good. Other than that, most criminals might not be predatory but just a product of their circumstances. Of course there needs to be exceptions to showing empathy and compassion. Meanwhile most criminals deserve our compassion but some criminals especially the predatory ones do not. Because clearly they are exploitative and not committing a crime out of desperation (example theft can be out of desperation and not exploitation ) so exploitative criminals might continue their methods of exploitation if they are released into society. These include terrorists and certain types of gangs like grooming gangs It's just to ensure protection of vulnerable groups..

This is a great counter argument. On point.

@Leo Gura you do realize that you are cherry picking. A better question to ask yourself is-- Is every criminal in the US prison equivalent to Bin Laden or Hitler? You could give them the death penalty. But you're using extreme cases. This is a logical fallacy and not very helpful to the argument. You're generalizing in an attempt to sway the argument Poor tactic. Most Criminals are nowhere comparable to the examples you stated. There are millions of people languishing in the US prison system. some of whom are charged falsely. be practical and nuanced Leo. you are not going to win this argument. this time it's a no.. all your arguments on this situation are petty cherry picking, impractical and exaggeration

Most people who support the death penalty aren't using the perspective of empathy or mercy. Use mercy and you'll see that criminals also deserve our empathy and understanding. Use mercy and empathy from a meta perspective.

Also most criminals aren't as bad as you might think they are. They can be people with good hearts. Actions aren't always indicative of intent. Some people commit an action without any real intent behind it. It's in the moment. Most criminals are actually good people who went astray. They need good conditions and psychological help. They need redemption instead of punishment. God treats a sinner and a non sinner equally. Remember that the criminal was also someone's child at some point. No child deserves to be put to death by willingness.

You have to take into account that when a criminal commits crime there are many many factors responsible for it. Most of you probably don't have a single clue on criminal psychology. I have been studying criminal psychology for past 2 years now. And it reveals a lot of astonishing aspects Society has a huge role to play in the formation of a criminal. This statement by itself is proof against the death penalty. We find someone as a scapegoat for the evil within us. This sort of moralizing is doomed and doesn't yield results. The whole criminal system needs a different perspective to be approached with, a Meta perspective. When you go meta on the nature of crime, you'll see how ridiculous moralizing is. It doesn't solve anything at all. Moralizing and wanting the death penalty is pure Stage Blue with stage Orange undertones. When I looked into the case of Richard Ramirez, the infamous serial killer, I saw that his childhood trauma was pretty severe and the things he was subjected to, it wouldn't have been possible for him to turn out to be normal. Most hardened criminals don't have the luxury of a good childhood. I don't mean to say that everyone with trauma becomes a criminal. But the level of trauma and bad upbringing in cases of most criminals is quite severe and inhumane. It's not hard to see that such upbringing is a huge mitigating factor in the commission of the crime. The next factor is biology. You can't execute someone for their biology. That would be unfair. Criminals did not ask for the psyche they were born with. They didn't sign up for it Remember that when we condemn criminals for their wrong doings, we do so to protect our own survival and interests, nothing more. If the crime wasn't hampering our survival, we wouldn't even call it evil. All evil and good is mere perception. We create the evil we see. Executing evil is not the solution to evil Evil and crime can only go away when it's replaced by love and compassion. Instead of focusing on how to punish crime, focus on how to heal and prevent crime. If we have enough love and compassion in our society and raise every child with utmost love and compassion and put an end to child abuse, we can significantly reduce the frequency of crime.. The approach of love and compassion is important here and not that of moralizing.. In a way we are all sinners because we too contribute to the crime by not actively trying to prevent it. Most crime is the result of bad social conditioning, bad biology that can be fixed by empathy therapy and child abuse that needs to be fixed. Have you ever wondered why crime is much more frequent in poor communities rather than the rich ones? Why is that? Because desperate conditions tend to generate psychopaths. Abundant communities with a healthy dose of love and proper resources show significantly lower rates of crime. Crime is much much lower in wealthier communities. So it's best to invest money in developing communities instead of focusing too much on punishing and moralizing criminals. Crime is not an individual issue. It's a social and systemic issue that needs systemic healing, preventing solutions.

Also death penalty is inhuman. Two wrongs don't make a right. Killing a person is still wrong no matter what they do or did. They can be housed in prison or rehab and allowed to improve. Even hardened criminals can improve The power of forgiveness is needed here more than anywhere else.

Death penalty should not be supported. Instead of death penalty, they can be given a life sentence. Death penalty cases waste a ton of time and lots of money is thrown for constant appeals. The amount to keep an extra prisoner alive and feed him for life is significantly less than the cost of appeals.

@Illusory Self you suffer fear and insecurities that you need to get over.

Is rape beautiful too?

On one hand you say there's beauty in everything and on the other hand you say that you support the death penalty. Ummm... Facepalm Facepalm Facepalm

What's the beauty in all this?

@Something Funny ok.

I think the user Something Funny needed an accountability partner. You could be an accountability partner to him and in return he could be an accountability partner to you. Both can help each other and keep each other accountable. This guy @Something Funny

@Illusory Self can I know your zodiac sign?

@Razard86 well then, that's a compromise. I'm not going to compromise on my survival. If I had to opt between spirituality and survival, I choose Survival. I can't afford to lose my life.

@Razard86 isn't that obvious that how you view the world is contingent on how you are experiencing it first hand? That goes without saying and I don't see anything wrong with it. If people treated you well, you would have no Reason to complain and vice versa. It's called trauma for a reason - because it traumatizes you. The only problem however is when you excessively judge the world as negative and blame someone without reason, that's when you're entering the territory of bias, projection, dissonance and prejudice and I agree that this unreasonable perspective is rather unhealthy.

@Razard86 I'm not talking about treating others badly. And I don't believe in moralizing and moral shaming others. But when you're dealing with someone that could be life threatening, you can't afford to be saintly and Empathetic. You have to do whatever to get your ass out of that place far away from that person to avoid trouble It's called Self preservation. At that point its not even about evil or good anymore. I don't blame people who steal. They could be hungry or not having enough money. A lot of evil/harmful action happens because of deprivation and a stressful environment. I am compassionate towards criminals. But regardless you can choose to show love from a distance. You don't need to be friends with criminals.

@Razard86 some people are genuinely toxic and get into trouble. These people won't necessarily always be rude on the outside. They could be sweet and still cause a ton of harm. They could poison your food or steal your money. Happened to me. I was living in the dorm once. There was a couple living there. I had left my keys with them. They were extremely cordial and sweet with me and that made me trust them. I went to the store one day and when I returned back I saw that several items were missing including my backpack, shoes, expensive champagne glasses, a trench coat etc. They even poisoned my food with sedatives so that they could steal more while I slept. I changed the lock and key to the door and they somehow figured a way to break the door open when I wasn't around and stole again. I was too frustrated and I packed my bags and left the place for good. You can't change every toxic person. Sometimes you gotta cut them off from your life and be practical and do what's necessary to save your life. Spiritual advice in such matters can prove fatal. Spirituality is fine. But in real life, you gotta be practical while dealing with life threatening situations You can't afford to act spiritual if your life is on the line. It's just being human

@Razard86 you cannot let people walk all over you. How long would you allow that?