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@Aldo To my understanding life purpose can still be directly correlated to what is currently being done even after enlightenment. The biggest difference after enlightenment would be the approach he takes to business. This would organically change to a multidimensional approach that no longer just serves his ego and identity but rather the world, others and the raising of consciousness. For example rather than concentrating on ROI (return on investment) he would likely look at how his business could tackle worldly concerns and the need to evolve human health and awareness. Such as changing business model in advertising, investing more wisely etc. Thats just my understanding.

@Knock completely feel you on this one. I’m not one really for excessive of feminism but I sure think men have created this new fictitious behaviour women must follow. “I must look good for men” “My value is in my body” etc. etc. This is now flooded into the dating sphere in which is polluted with women completely mentally hijacked with the notions males hormones have fed them. I shed tears for some of the women close to me, my ex partners and those whom I know. The difficulty it would be for women now days to navigate reality and try substantiate their worth beyond a measure of beauty, its disappointing. My ex partner measured her worth by the remarks she received and social media accolades. I find this extremely disappointing. Both men and women are incredible creatures that have been constructed into a product. I also fear the sustainability of healthy relationships for the generations to come throughout all this. In western societies it is difficult to to come across individuals who are not identified by the material exterior. My hope is that a inflection point comes where humans have no choice but to turn inward.

@Devansh Saharan Sadhguru simply wants you to turn inward and immensely observe. If you meticulously listen to what he speaks he continually refers back to the human mechanism. All your experience comes from with you and you must begin understanding this in order to reconcile solace and deeper understanding for reality and your ways of functionality. its simple: turn inward and observe.

@ColdFacts I feel you are again missing what I am saying. Your perception of reality is already an hallucination. Your preconceiving that what you perceive as of now holds true accuracy. That is a massive assumption. One that can be deeply debunked. A dream too distorts your sense of reality does that mean your sense of reality after the dream is damaged? No of course not. A psychedelic experience is just that, an experience. An experience of heightened consciousness of what already lurks within your mind. And further taking you beyond the mind. Just to make a note. I have not done psychedelics and would not at all say they are required to understand what is being said within this thread. What everyone is saying really is not far fetched or ludicrous. It just requires a deeper introspection beyond the constructs you may have initially been endowed with. You seem to be undermining the metaphysical nature of both experience, reality and your mind.

@ColdFacts Again, they do not damage neurological processes in the brain such as memory and sense perception. In fact it is natural medicine that has these damaging outcomes. Research psychedelics and look at how they interact with neurotransmitters and receptors in the brain. They bind without damage. Just have a open minded exploration in research. I recommend it. It sounds like you may have been convinced by mainstream media.

@ColdFactsThat’s not how they work though. They open metaphysical doorways that are acting opportunities for you raise awareness in your physical reality. They have potential to provide insight that then you can utilise in your “natural state”. Basically, their advantage is they can shed years of trauma and psychological torment from just one responsible experience with them. They are not a high you dispense of them have no take away. They have a high tested outcome in physical growth. I would say they can put you 5 steps ahead rather than the 2 you may get from traditional medicine.

@ColdFactsalso consider that the minds propensity to damage neural cell tissues naturally. Through psychological adversity, mental disrupt and disorders without substance this is a state of effect beyond almost any psychedelic use.

@ColdFacts you may be missing what I’m saying here. I’m not saying they are a substance for continual use. They are an optional tool to open door ways to deeper consciousness that would otherwise be incomprehensible to the conscious mind. Important insight into existential understanding for instance. Psychedelics have been given crude popularisations due to the bigotry of mass media, ethics and their irrational recreational use. They are a useful tool just like a supplement for the body. If used wisely can unlock avenues of unimaginable growth and recovery. Just look into scientific studies with PTSD, major depression patients. Results are quite opaque. I am not merely say do them. I’m suggesting be open to them. They could help more people than they disrupt.

@ColdFacts Watch this for example. May be insightful.

@ColdFactsThis would be true if the senses and the human neurological/biological evolution did not become a self deceptive distortion itself. Unfortunately, if we observe human evolution it is now the very barrier that has been created into a limitation. A non intoxicated state has now been classified by neuroscientists as a combination of hallucinations. In fact, a sober state may be more distorted then than a psychedelic one. As a psychedelic state attuned you to become more receptive of unconscious processes. More refined processes within you. Something to consider. Just look at how ones sensory perceptions can be distorted by a belief, a thought, a value, morality. Non existent metaphysical constructs are sufficient in sending a human into a state of distortion without any substance. Really, we are unmeasurably distorted in times such as now. Psychedelics are just a temporary tool to dive deep into the distortions that have been self created. Distortions that would otherwise be left dormant. In other words, they amplify consciousness that other wise rests in the background. This is coming from someone who has not yet done psychedelics but has extensively looked into them. I can say my perception on them has definitely changed. They are not purely the disruptive substance they are made out to be. I implore you to research them ?

I’ve been following Sadhguru for what’s been now several years and there’s an essence of true profundity and wisdom he speaks that I feel is extremely rare. No matter what I read, what I hear, what I uncover the words he speaks seem to have such deep relevance beyond the constructs of what we conventionally believe. So much precision in what he speaks yet he does not require technical language. I find it fascinating that someone who has devoted so much time to the mechanics with them self seems to have far deeper wisdom than those who dedicate their lives to acadademic study and literature. Its as if he words what everyone is seeking in a more synchronised and unifying manner. Would love to hear anyone’s feedback if they have followed any of Sadhguru’s messages!

Yes i figured since hearing so many synonymous references haha ? I feel this can confuse people though. But really it depends on the speaker I guess.

Okay so I was not aware that there was was some debate on the mechanics of awareness and consciousness. So my question is whether Awareness comes prior to Consciousness or vice versa or if there is a omnipresent equilibrium between them. I’ve always considered them similarly equal but awareness to be the basis of subjective interpretation and consciousness to be the space in which awareness becomes. Could be wrong but interested to hear others opinions on this ?

@mandyjw I understand what you mean here. It has a lot merit as well. For me, I find it’s when something penetrates me at the deepest level. I measure my level of understanding for a speaker by how much their message penetrates me not how much I see myself in them. As you said this can mean existential crises with internal disagreement. But these are necessary steps. For me it’s important to focus on the message that is spoken not the speaker them self. Otherwise it turns into a glorification, ideology or admiration of the speaker. The purpose then becomes missed.

@Leo Gura What I meant was rare in human civilisation. Really apart from maybe several 1-10% of people reach this understanding. Another I find is Eckhart Tolle. Along with contemporaries Rupert Spira and Adyashanti. For some reason Sadhguru receives a lot of unsubstantiated discontent among enlightened seekers. @pluto @purerogue As Leo once said, his level of knowledge is going to sound incomprehensible to one not within that realm of understanding. You have to remember he is accomodating for a world population who 99% unenlightened. Metaphors, jokes and simplistic analogies is just about the only way a message of such magnitude will penetrate. Another point is those who watch Sadhguru seem to miss that he is always referring to non duality and dissolution of the self. The notion to collapse “this is me” and the outside is “not me”. He continually refers to collapsing this duality which will then bring liberation. @pluto Unfortunately I feel his words are completely flying over your head. What Leo and all other enlightened beings speak, really is equivalent to what Sadhguru speaks. You just need to find the capacity to understand his messages. @mandyjwMm not so sure about this resonation. I don’t completely agree with Sadhguru. It’s the fundamentals of what he speaks. The importance of inner functionality and ego transcendence is what I resonate with. It’s his conveying message not purely him as speaker. As I’ve found there are other speakers such as Eckhart Tolle I view similarly. I use to think it was resonation with a speaker until I could see a lot of dissimilarities between myself and Sadhguru. It’s all in comprehending messages not admiring speakers. This I feel is not concentrated on enough in modern times.

@Leo GuraAgreed, totality cannot be understood by one of its pieces. Do you not find how he speaks to be incredibly rare considering majority of human kind are looking the opposite way?

It’s really not that hard to grapple. It’s when you come with a human conception of how reality works and project it that stifleness is created. For me when I hear Leo speak I understand this “nothing is evil”. Because think about it. Evil is dichotomy dependent. It relies upon an opposite in order to be substantiated. The only way you can announce something as bad is to contrast with something to oppose it by. So you inevitably you have to include what you contrast it by because it is interdependent. It is created and reliant on its contrasting partner other wise it could not exist. The only frame of reference for denoting something as good is from framing in the same reference of what is bad. In other words, to say evil exist is to at the same time is to say you yourself is evil. Because you have to account for both sides of the coin. I see morality as human prejudice and bias. A projected mirage upon the world that really holds not contextual substance taken to its depth. Really evaluating this is quite easy to see the flaw. As soon as you label something as innately bad you are as well labelling yourself as bad. Because you have to include yourself in the frame of reference in which you have created. If you say something is bad, you have to rely on your frame of reference. Say something is not bad, again you have to rely on your frame reference. Only way out of this contradiction is to collapse the dichotomy and see that bad does not exist. The only way to operate effectively is by looking at what works in its context and what does not. In other words what “efficiency”.

Okay so I’ve been doing cold showers for the last 30 days straight every morning and plan on continuing to do so. Cold showers I find are one of the most powerful ways to enhance your direction and attitude. I find cold showers reset the nervous system and rebalance the minds state. Creating a collapse of all things that may have happened over night or the previous days. It’s like they completely clean eliminate all that was. However, cold showers should be a conscious process. Cold showers should be done while directing body awareness throughout your body so total awareness and tension loss can unfold. I find them very beneficial. Best time is in the morning too. Where mediation is a slower entering of the present moment. It can take some time with mediation where cold showers are more instant.

Hi everyone, Just a few questions. So I’ve been meditating fairly consistently for sometime now. Over the last several months I’ve bumped my meditation up to twice a day. However, at times quite often I find thoughts pervade my meditation. Restricting the depth that I feel I can go in my sessions. My sessions are quite pleasant. They just never seem deep and I feel it is to do with too much background noise within the mind. I was just curious if anyone has any tips for enhancing depth of mediation. Ps. main style of meditation is TM. And secondly, I’m new to the psychedelic game and feel I am willing to begin experimenting. I’ve done my pondering and research over the last few years and now feel confident enough for self experiment. My question is, where should one start being new to psychedelics? What type, quantity, precautions and where to find them etc? people who have maybe had some experience here would be great to hear from! Thanks in advance!

Does anyone find when they meditate or situate themself still they can enter a more profound, deeper and pleasant form of experience. I find I can still my mind and bodily functions more optimally with my eyes open. My favourite method is simply stare into object in the distance until it dissolves and you begin entering a state of pleasant blankness. I call this Concentration Stillness, so powerful. Anyone have similar experiences?

@Jack River exactly right. Closing your eyes feels like a less authentic and fluid way to become stilled. I actually find staring into nothingness with eyes open distracts me less than with eyes closed.

Yeah typically I use an object to focus one and let my perception dissolve into it until I become blank. Then allow my awareness to go through my entire experience. I feel it’s such an important thing to raise awareness through open eye exercises. We are so used to having our eyes open that we forget the dilusions in how we see things.

Interesting. I feel open eyed meditation is undermined. Considering 90% of waking life is open eyed you would think there would be huge focus here to build composure.

@Lynnel thank you! Enjoyable read. Some useful stuff too. @outlandish could not agree more. I feel it is the the normal process after a relationship. Which in some aspects shows that the person had significance. I’ll be moving interstate in 4 months. So I think that will provide some more abundance.

Hi everyone, just a quick back story. I’ve recently come out of a one year relationship (longest one for me) haha. I’m currently going through some slight discomforts such as fixations of my ex partner and some regrets. However, I have deeply evaluated this area and I’m in a very good place when it comes to my future. More time to work on myself. More time to focus on my career. More time for building new connections and expanding social network. So many benefits. But in the midst of all this I still find my self emotionally struck. As if there is a battle wound that requires time to heal. My dealings with break ups is much better than the how so in the past. Still I have my struggles though. In this particular situation I believe it’s my inner insercruities and not my ex partner causing the issues. As I don’t really miss her, I dislike the the created void. We broke it off very well and respectfully went our seperate ways. Although, I was not as fully committed to relationship as I could have been. So this contributed to our split. I feel it is time to really deeply dive into my past, as my childhood through being adopted was not the most pleasant. I have done a lot of work on my past but feel there is much to go. So my main question here is, what are some of the best transformational ways to moving through that hump period of a break up? I do daily meditation and reflection but feel I should incorporate other specific strategies for this scenario. Any advice would be greatly appreciated as I am not the most experienced relationshipee! Haha