Emerald

There's a very disturbing trend happening in society where gullible and ignorant people are being sold on "OTHER"ing propaganda en masse. People are getting swept up in ideologies of hatred and "OTHER"ness that I can only see leading to terrible destructive things. And there are people on this forum who are twisting non-dual truths to bolster their own beliefs in this regard. And there are people on this forum who are not sold on this propaganda, but habitually defer to non-dual truths as a reason to accept it as equally valid to beliefs that are not of an exclusionary nature. This is spiritual bypassing. This muddying of spiritual perspectives and practical perspectives is causing a LOT of problems. Paradigms are mutually exclusive and you shouldn't try to put your feet in two paradigms at a time. So, if you're talking from two different perspectives, then makes sure you're talking from them one at a time, and not mixing them together and distorting them to fit your views. So, I want to point to this danger of spiritual bypassing and thinking that the only valid perspective is the non-dual perspective. There are practical perspectives that are often even more applicable to life than higher spiritual perspectives. In fact, that's the case most of the time. For example, if your task is to chop wood and carry water, than you won't be able to defer to some higher spiritual truth to get the job done. The practical truth is that you must do it. Or if you see something harmful coming down the pipe, then you won't be able to defer to some higher spiritual truth to avoid it. The practical truth is that you must continue to call a spade a spade and never waiver to harmful ideologies.

I never said that some forms of racism are okay. You're just projecting. My channel is for consciousness development and not for furthering any political agenda. So, I will make no such video. All I'm saying is that beliefs in White Nationalism are a symptom of unconsciousness, and that it leads to terrible things as evidenced by history. And that people are using higher order truths taken as an intellectual beliefs to trick people into sympathizing more with extremist views. And a lot of people are falling for these ideologies because they've invalidated practical truths like, "bad things are bad". They're afraid that noticing this is un-spiritual or intolerant... so they spiritually bypass the entire situation and convince themselves that everything is sunshine and rainbows. This leaves them very open to manipulations. White supremacist groups know how to leverage nuanced thinking to their advantage because of these space for leverage. That was my entire point. You can think that people on the left are causing this all you want. It's certainly caused by a whole host of complex things. But the fact of the matter is that the problem being caused by all those things is White Nationalism. So, don't say... "White Nationalism isn't a problem because the liberals caused it." That makes no sense. You can think that liberals caused it. But it doesn't make it not a problem that should be dealt with and called for what it is. So, stop projecting liberal ideologies onto my perspective. And start recognizing a person noticing things that are actually happening.

I already talked at length about my points earlier on in this thread. Now, if you think I'm going to debate you about why White Nationalism is harmful, I simply won't. It's very obvious why preferring one racial group over another leads to terrible things. Just open a history book, and you'll see plenty of examples.

Unfortunately, it's not surprising. But yes, that's part of the inconsistency that I was referring to with regard to muddying paradigms and becoming gullible as a result.

You guys believe in whichever ideologies that you want to believe in. I'm not here to argue with people who are already sold of Fascist ideologies. And I'm not here to argue with people who are not sold on Fascist beliefs, but unwittingly open the door for Fascism by performing mental gymnastics and ignoring the fact that "bad things are bad" from the dualistic perspective. Sometimes, the truth "bad things are bad" is the wisest and most obvious truth to realize. It's a relative truth. So, it's not non-dual. And a very simple one at that. But sometimes the simplicity of it is what can bring people back down to reality, so that they are no longer falling into traps set by White Nationalist groups that are using the abundance of nuance to trick people into falling for their rhetoric. I hope that some of you come to realize the trap that you're falling into.

I never denied this. I made a video about it actually. I talk about how everyone has a "good' drive and an "evil" drive that they can fall prey to if they are unaware of the evil drive and don't have it integrated into their conscious awareness. But all this "there are two sides" stuff is just not true. It's an entire social pattern that's far more complex than there being two sides. There are thousands of factors that are leading to this problem. And I feel like you think I'm some random SJW parroting talking liberal talking points. I am not. I just see something really negative coming and I'm trying to warn people of it. That said, the problem that these thousands of factors are leading up to will be enacted by one of those "sides". And that "side" is actively recruiting people who are gullible and vulnerable enough to buy into it. So, I'm not demonizing anyone. I just don't want other people to be gullible enough to fall prey to those harmful groups and their ideologies.

Unfortunately, this is the exact spiritual bypassing that I was talking about. If a lion is running at you, just repeat these ideas and all the danger will melt away into spiritual bliss... OR you'll be mauled by a lion for not being properly aware of the goings-on within duality. Either way, it doesn't matter because "All is one." You never cared about your life because you're aware that death is an illusion. So, whenever you're being mauled, you will not feel any sense of terror or suffering. You're beyond that... right? Truth is not opinions or ideas. And if you are not abiding in Truth, then you will certainly be effected by negative life circumstances. The best thing that you can do now is be really honest with where you are, and stop deceiving yourself that you're so detached from outcomes. Anyone can repeat these ideas and believe in these ideas. But when the rubber meets the road, you will immediately become aware that these ideas don't keep you safe from harm and that you're not above pain and suffering. Ask yourself, have you ever experienced ego transcendence. If the answer is no, you don't know anything about it. Or truly, even if you have, you are not abiding in that state now. So, duality is likely very real to you.

History has shown that people like yourself will always find themselves down a road to Fascism when the opportunity presents itself. So, no need to thank me. You have only your own unconsciousness and ideology-clinging to blame.

This seems to not be related to my point at all. I don't understand how it connects. Practically speaking, the guy was being a jerk and probably won't get the awesome graphic artist to do work for him because he criticized her race and appearance. So, he'll probably have to get someone else who is less talented to do his graphics work. So, yes, he showed a severe lack of social skills. But what I'm talking about is actually something that doesn't really take a lot of action steps to go an do. It has a lot more to do with centering more into reality and perceiving of it accurately enough to discern which paradigm is appropriate for a given situation. So, if we use your example. The guy has a 9-5 job and he stressed, but he denies that he's stressed because he defers to higher spiritual truths that seem to invalidate his feeling of stress. So, he represses his stressed out feelings and never realizes how unhappy is... because all is one... right? Then, he lives unconsciously miserably ever after. The end.

I don't know if the pigeons have had this kind of significance. But according to Jung's idea of synchronicity, reality will produce ways to communicate certain truths with you through uncanny events. So, I would explore this idea a bit deeper. If you feel trapped or unable to open up and be free, then you can take the dead pigeons as a sign that you should explore those aspects of yourself deeper. You may want to see what the benefit of keeping yourself pinioned or trapped is. That may seem like a funny question to ask. But there is always some benefit to every behavior we take and every pattern we come to be in. So, it may be the benefit of avoiding certain negative emotions. And you can ask yourself what those emotions are. Or maybe there's some other emotional benefit you're getting from closing yourself down. For example, if you unconsciously judge others who are open, then you may get the feeling of specialness or superiority from remaining closed down. Or maybe there's just a tone of limiting beliefs that keep you scared to change. These are just three examples. But you'll really want to see what it is that you're getting out of this issue that keeps you in that place.

@Feel Good You're welcome. It's easy to fall into traps when beliefs in anything always function as blindspots. So, spiritual beliefs and non-dual beliefs are no different. In fact, non-dual BELIEFs are a lot more blinding than even the average belief. This is because intellectually-speaking, non-dual truths seem to invalidate everything in the dualistic understanding of the world. So, if a person has adopted non-duality as ideology and not as a path, then all of reality will become a blindspot. And instead of the expansion of consciousness that comes from ego transcendence, there will be a contraction in consciousness that comes from ego repression and the ignoring of basic things about reality.

Absolutely! Very well said.

Absolutely. It's all one huge social pattern that's a lot more complex than meets the eye. Right now, we're seeing a lot of upheaval because we are becoming more aware of that which has been relegated to the shadow of humanity. And it's ugly right now... but it will likely give way to more consciousness. That said, if we can temper that effect so that it doesn't destroy so many people, we should. So, I will always try to make people aware through words before the world steps in with circumstance and really drives the point across. But practicality is also part of spirituality. So, to invalidate the practical and mundane is to become unaware of an aspect of the spiritual. So, the most spiritual people are often the most practical. It's very unwise to relegate all practical concerns to the shadow.

There is a lot of invalidation of the most practical things. I think so many people want so much to progress on the spiritual path, that they lose sight of more obvious realities. So, it understandably can be quite frustrating. This is why I think taking a more integrative approach to spirituality is best. So, instead of only focusing toward formlessness and nothingness, there is also a respect for Earthliness and everything-ness.

These are even kind of second tier practical truths. So, yes. It's a bad thing to judge others, which are really what these truths are getting at. I agree with these truths from this perspective. That said, when people are already drowning in nuance, sometimes labels and 'telling it like it is' can be the most important thing to do. And reluctance to 'label' something for clearer understanding, comes from taking the truth of non-judgment too literally. It gets in the way of our ability for discernment and the ability to make wise decisions. So, I agree that we shouldn't judge and invalidate even extreme racists, because they are truly victims to their own unconsciousness. So, if they really new better and were more conscious, they wouldn't be falling victim to these patterns. So, it's of utmost important that we recognize them more as a symptom of a deeper cause and victim of that symptom, as opposed to demonizing them and writing them off as simply being evil. Things are a lot more complex that they seem on the surface. And it's only in understanding those complexities that we can truly untie this knot. But this is too nuanced to help people who may fall victim to this trap, which is the very reason why I made this post. In fact, this truth of non-judgment can be easily misconstrued by vulnerable people to make them more likely to fall into this trap. If we are unable to label things for what they are, we will always remain on unsteady ground and will become ignorant to the most obvious of dualistic truths and will become gullible to those who seek to exploit this vulnerability. So, again, it's VERY important to be able to choose the proper paradigm for the situation at hand. Sometimes, the most obvious of dualistic relative truths are the wisest to go with. Sometimes, it'll be a paradigm that's middling like the non-judgment and non-labeling truth. And other times, higher up spiritual truths will be the most appropriate. And it takes the cultivation of wisdom, correct perception, and discernment to choose the proper paradigm. This seems to be a skill that gets lost on this forum, as there are so many people who always default to the highest spiritual truths in every situation. Paradoxically, this is quite unwise.

I think it's important to be direct in this matter. People are already drowning in puddles of nuance, and those with most extreme views are using that to their advantage. Because people are not on firm ground, they are easily shifted toward more extreme viewpoints without really noticing what's going on. So, letting it out, in this circumstance is the wisest decision. I think it was George Orwell who stated, "We have now sunk to a depth at which restatement of the obvious is the first duty of intelligent men." People should not lose sight of the most obvious of truths, because they've gotten lost in a sea of nuance. This is what is meant by missing the forest for the trees.

I made this in response to the thread that was all about seeing the validity in so-called "Identitarian" movements like White Nationalism. And it seemed like almost everyone in the thread was going along with it and using non-duality to justify their beliefs or to see those viewpoints as equal to any other viewpoint. Now, from the non-dual perspective, it's true that all is one thing. But from the dualistic perspective, there's a huge difference in living in a society that value fairness, as opposed to a society that values one race over all others. And there are very real consequences to living in a society that values the latter. And it's just unwise to allow those kinds of viewpoints to proliferate unchecked. There has also been quite a lot of subtle acceptance toward more extremist views trickling into the main-stream in general, and this forum has been no exception. The only difference is that they use non-duality as an ideology to justify these viewpoints. So, that's why I think it's so important to not become gullible in our seeking for higher Truth. Too many people think that higher truths invalidate more practical truths, but it isn't the case.

One side of that conflict is all about OTHERing anyone who isn't in their in-group. The other side of that conflict is about OTHERing anyone who engages in OTHERing so that they can stop them from OTHERing. So, there is a problem on both sides, because we're not looking at the deeper patterns that feed into this problem where things can actually be resolved. One side demonizes everyone who isn't in their in-groupl And the other side demonizes everyone who demonizes those who aren't in their in-group. But make no mistake, both sides are not equal in this as both sides are not advocating for the same things. It's not always the case that if you have two sides to some issue that both sides are equally right or both sides are equally wrong. This is called false equivalency. Sometimes, one side is demonstrably worse if we look at the effects that it has on society.

@Key Elements @Arkandeus Ideally speaking, I don't judge those people as invalid by calling them ignorant or gullible. I call them that because they are ignorant and/or gullible. I am simply calling a spade a spade. They are not that way on purpose as no one would consciously choose ignorance or gullibility if they realized that they were being gullible or ignorant. Life is hard, and people are vulnerable. So, anyone can end up in a situation like that with so many blind-spots. I plainly see how I could have ended up in the same trap. So, understand that this is not a condemnation of those people. It's a recognition that if their viewpoints take a foothold in society, we will be facing some very negative consequences. And when those consequences arise, 'top shelf' spiritual truths believed at the level of intellect simply won't suffice. Saying 'all is one' in the face of no danger makes us feel like we've already transcended. But in saying 'all is one' in the face of danger, we will realize that most of us didn't actually realize that... we just believed it. And an intellectual belief about the Truth is NOT the Truth. So, for the sake of all those not directly abiding in the non-dual state, we should care about what takes a foothold in our societies. We should care about the goings-on within the dualistic perspective. If it our intention to lessen our own suffering by abiding in the non-dual state, then we should also care about the well-being within duality as this is also a part of ourselves. It's important to realize that sometimes 'top-shelf' spiritual truths taken at an intellectual level, will cause us to miss out on and repress away so many relative truths. But those relative truths are also valid from certain perspectives. And seeing relative truths as invalid and inherently less appropriate in ALL situations will cause us to make very foolish decisions in the sphere of duality. And it will set us ever further away from what is Truth. Everyday life is not to be transcended and invalidated as a lesser perspective. Duality is also part of non-duality. Be wise with your paradigm choices in any given situation.

Long live King Roboto! VICTORY! VICTORY! VICTORY!

Thank you!

Perhaps it is a synchronistic symbol. Birds tend to represent freedom, higher perspectives, and even communication (in the case of pigeons specifically). Perhaps you are feeling like freedom and communication are not possible and that your prospects for these things have been cut off. Do you ever feel trapped or unable to communicate?

It's just that you seem to be very defensive every time I talk to you, like you think I'm insulting you or something. And then you go on little mini-rants about deceitful women, landwhales, and the unconscious masses. So, I was asking because it seems to me that you believe yourself to be more conscious than most other people. That's the vibe that your posts give off. As far as me being well-adjusted, it depends on which area of life we're talking about. Financially I struggle quite a bit still. And because I spend most of my time with my children and husband, I don't have a very rich social life. But otherwise, I've done a lot of introspection and inner work, and I am very brutally self-honest and willing to look at things within myself that are good, bad, and ugly. So, in this regard, I am quite well-adjusted and centered in reality. It's the reason why I recognize the great harm that judging others causes, and the boomerang effect that it has. So, that's why I don't go around hating on men, hating on women, or judging fat people, or blaming the unconscious masses. I realize the vulnerability inherent in the human experience, and I can access genuine feelings of empathy toward them. It's easy to walk in other's shoes. That said, I do get incredibly frustrated when people hold ignorant beliefs, but think themselves to be more conscious than others. On the more self-focused end of things, I'm tired of women being the projection screen for that kind of unconsciousness. It's very frustrating to be on the receiving end of so much unearned hatred and judgment. On the more altruistic end of things, I know that people who do this are suffering immensely under the weight of their own judgments and projections. And because it's a widespread phenomena it is such a handicap to human consciousness evolution. And I feel a sense of urgency to help people who are in this trap, because it will eventually blow up into something ugly. But I'm frustrated at the same time... so if I am blunt with you, that is why. Now, something beautiful will probably grow from that ugly mess. But I want to avoid it if possible by making people more aware of their unconsciousness before it reaches a fever pitch. But rigidity is an aspect of the very repression that I mentioned earlier on in the thread. So, it's somewhat difficult to get through to people who are sold on the anti-feminine world-views being espoused on the internet as of late. And there are millions of people out there who are into those ideas, many of who are also suffering from Anima Possession. So, it's all quite overwhelming to try to make a difference in that.

This is wrong thinking... simply because it's thinking. The mind cannot understand the difference between Nihilism/Solipsism and the nature of things, because they sound the same to human intellect. But they are diametric opposites. One rule of thumb that you can always count on... if it feels worse and more contacted as a worldview, then you know that you're mistaken. There is nothing more wondrous than reality beyond ego. I made a video about a trap on the path toward enlightenment that I think might be helpful to you to shake the beliefs in Nihilism and Solipsism, and get back into a space of open-ness.

Do you consider yourself to be a healthy and well-adjusted person? Did you ever consider that perhaps your mindsets are a symptom of the very problem of low consciousness that you perceive?