Emerald

That’s pretty old news. But I understand what you’re saying. Americans can support stupid candidates. But Americans also supported Barrack Obama because of his progressive messaging about hope. And I think Marianne can drum up a similar type of support.

In case any U.S. citizens want to contribute to her campaign… https://secure.actblue.com/donate/marwilliamson2024

Don’t phrase this like you know it for sure. It’s irresponsible to share your vision this way.

Not necessarily so. You mostly do it through Populist messaging that people resonate with. In the 2016 election, Donald Trump ran his campaign on bringing back jobs and draining the swamp. He also threw some demagoguery in there to galvanize the racists in his base. But silly as it seems, probably 1/2 or more of 2016 Trump supporters voted for him because they saw him as an anti-establishment outsider that was going to come in and fix things. And in 2020, he lost because the Rust Belt went to Biden when he didn’t deliver on his promises and stopped the fake Populist messaging. Marianne could leverage her campaign similarly because she too is an outsider.

I honestly think she has a Bernie Sanders level of potential. Only time will tell though. There’s a small possibility that she could even best him at galvanizing his base and beyond because she understands at a deep level the way that optics, coalition building, and creating political movements work… while Bernie could be a bit strong headed about things like that for better and for worse. Like Bernie was easier to besmirch as a Communist because he was always talking about being a Democratic Socialist. And so, this was a huge bug-a-boo for a lot of the people I spoke to when canvassing for him. And I can see her do very well at painting a simple vision for the general constituency on the level that most can receive it.

She was saying in an interview that her goal in running for president is primarily to bring attention to issues and policy proposals that aren’t addressed in mainstream politics and to put them more inside the Overton Window. In a similar way to how Bernie’s presidential runs didn’t lead to victory. But now, so many more people are awake to things like single payer healthcare and the issues with money in politics. Basically, if she wins, she wins. And if she loses, she wins. And so does society at large.

I see it a bit like a caterpillar turning into a butterfly. It’s order-chaos-order again The caterpillar was like traditional conservative values. Stage Blue. Things had an order to them that people could understand and follow. And then the cocoon phase is the phase we’re in now. This is where the regenerative chaos comes in coupled with degenerative chaos. In the cocoon, the caterpillar totally deconstructs and dissolves into a chaotic primordial goo. This is what the individualistic nature of Stage Orange and the post-modern nature of Stage Green is meant to do to old traditions surrounding the pre-industrial agrarian ethos. It’s meant to deconstruct them and take them apart. And then, from the chaotic primordial goo, the butterfly starts to develop and gestate in Stage Green. And a new and more complex order emerges eventually from the cocoon… probably in later intonations of Green. But to hasten this process, those who have already oriented to the new order because of their own independent consciousness work practice, must find ways to help people who are in the primordial goo of chaos by giving them something ordered to move toward. Unfortunately, the only ones who are currently helping people out of the primordial goo of chaos are the ones who are advocating for us to go back to the caterpillar phase. This is Jordan Peterson in a nutshell. It’s why he’s so popular because he gives an antidote to chaos (unfortunately one that won’t work because you can’t resurrect the caterpillar from the goo). But we need to give people a vision for what the new order of the butterfly looks like.

Yes, I agree with all that. My point is that it wouldn’t necessarily explain the discrepancy between liberal girls and other demographics as it pertains to depression. My thought is that Tik Tok and social media use would be equivalent across teen demographics

That’s a possibility too

Lots of that toward anyone deemed as an other. Once, my then-boyfriend took me to go visit one of his work friends Tim at Tim’s home. And Tim lived with his brother and had brought him a plate of food from the Golden Corral (which is where Tim and my bf worked). And within 30 seconds of meeting Tim’s brother, he started eating the food (chicken and mashed potatoes) with zero manners… like a wild animal. And as he was shoveling down food while it was getting all over his hands and face, and he began going on a huge tirade (with food in his mouth) about how black people are monkeys that behave like wild animals. Total projection and scapegoating. And black people in particular were an absolute obsession for him. I think it was then that I realized that racism is a psychological hang up more than it is a moral deficiency because I had only over met casual racists before that.

I was raised in a small rural redneck town in Central Florida where most people live in trailers… including myself as a teenager. And I was always the lone liberal swimming in a sea of red. About 25% or more of the people in my hometown have the Rebel flag somewhere in or on their house. And so, my experiences with Conservatives is that they’re equally unachored and that there’s just as much moral decay in their homes. Things I’ve witnessed from Conservative people when I was a teen… - Flossing teeth with the metal from cigarette packs so that they’ll have dental problems and the dentist will prescribe opiates - A family of 3 living in a single wife trailer with 4 pit bulls - Three 10 year old neighbor boys smoking a gravity bong right out in public - Several drug overdoses from misusing prescription medication - Lots of adults in their 30s in relationships with teens who were my age So, my personal experience with Conservatives is that they had more moralizations but fewer moral standards for themselves.

@mr_engineer Almost 100% right. ^ The only thing I disagree with is the need to repress our secondary energy. Our goal is to drop our repressions and realize our wholeness by not holding too tightly to identities associated with Masculine or Feminine. But otherwise, this is right on the money.

What I’m saying is that these things would all affect teens equally across gender and political preference lines. So, it doesn’t account for more liberal girls to have the highest depression rates, because they probably consume Tik Tok at similar rates to boys and conservatives.

But why the difference in political affiliation and gender. Those would certainly be true for most teens.

I’m not blaming boys. They are the victims of this type of rhetoric because it exacerbates their natural anxieties and creates false solutions to their problems that actually hurt them more. And it’s unfortunately very common. But I thought you said Liberal girls and Conservative boys were dealing with higher depression rates. So, that’s the interpretation that made the most sense to me. But given that it’s Liberal girls and boys, it’s probably just being more acutely aware of global issues and feeling powerless to stop the problems from happening.

I experienced it once in an Ayahuasca ceremony. It showed me a deep unconditional love that all human beings have for one another that expresses itself as an innate desire for kinship. And to the degree that people hate one another and become misanthropic, is the degree to where that unconditionally loving nature gets twisted up and distorted through layers of ignorance, trauma, and coping mechanisms. Like human love is a perfect light at the core. But it’s reflecting itself into a dirty and broken mirror and reflecting a distorted and dulled version of that light out into the world.

White, female, liberal teens probably have a mixture of lack of in-person socializing, inescapable awareness of global issues that they feel powerless to change, feeling responsible for global issues, awareness of widespread misogyny, and being impacted by the misogyny of male peers who are the primary demographic that get swept up in Andrew Tate-like online content. And this ruins male/female dynamics because it causes guys to become really callous and mean to girls. And then the liberal girls who are more oriented toward Feminist ideals, will probably have struggles finding a decent boy to date who hasn’t been brainwashed by propaganda. Then male conservative teens are probably more depressed because they are caught up in all these Andrew Tate-like Rabbit holes. And they’re being propagandized to in a way where things that exacerbate their issues are being sold as cures to their issues. That would be my guess.

I’m not sure if she’ll win. Yet again… stranger things have happened. But even if she doesn’t, this can do wonders for moving the Overton Window in a more conscious direction.

Shame on you ?