Joseph Maynor

Oy. Don't speak for me please. I never said "this is the only time existence or dream ever." Those are your words not mine. You don't play fair. You don't need to "defeat" me to ensure that your cherished beliefs remain intact. I've never experienced someone attempt so many shady rhetorical moves in a discussion on here. Why would my mere disagreeing with your beliefs trigger such conduct from you? That's the question. Can you even handle being disagreed with? It doesn't appear so. You are clearly invested in your beliefs. Holding on for dear life! No pun intended. You can keep your beliefs, I'm not going to take them away from you. It's ok. Everything is ok. You're safe. Let's all take a deep breath. I want to honor @cetus56 and stop this sniping back and forth right now. Let's bury the hatchet. We can operate above the belt in our discourses on here.

I'm pushing you to inquire, to think outside of your box. I'm a "weird, troll, Materialist, most asleep person on the forum" now. All your words in this thread about me. Why do you say such things, some of them somewhat hurtful? All I've done is challenge you and you go ballistic with the rhetoric. Look at yourself and how defensive you are. All I did was challenge your beliefs and you flipped-out. That was a test my friend.

Leo also talks about Enlightenment freeing you from death. Watch this video:

I'm weird? What the hell is "consciousness"? How do you know "consciousness" doesn't die?

You must be in your 20's. People in their 20's think they'll live forever. You're far away from death, but don't think you've escaped it. There's no escaping death. 8-80, man, woman and child, all eventually will die. You ever been to a cemetery? You think cemeteries are a hoax? It's like the Apollo moon landing, right? One big hoax lol. Nobody gets out of this alive, including you.

But what exactly is the "me" that will not die? And how do you know this?

Somebody's dying around here or else the global population would become unsustainable really fast. Of course the Ego wants to go beyond life and death. The idea of being annihilated is why we make up stories -- fear of death. So, what's the belief, that "consciousness" survives death? Is that your story?

Common sense lol. Actually, common sense is not so common.

I like this.

I can't believe I'm arguing with someone about whether we will die or not. This is surreal. This is what happens when you get stuck in the story of Enlightenment.

Those are your words. Please don't put words in my mouth. I was very careful in how I used language and what I said. Calling me a Materialist is a rhetorical move that's clearly not ready for prime time. Someone disagreed with your beliefs, can you deal with that?

Actually I said I'm happy to find out about death when it happens to me. How is that stubborn? I'm not making any claims one way or the other. You're the one who thinks you know all these things in advance about death through theory alone. And then you project those beliefs onto me and judge me as "one of the most asleep persons on the Forum." That's a pretty big Ego backlash on your part. You must have the truth no matter what it seems. I notice your footer confidently states, "All is seen." Wow. No wonder you can't stand being disagreed with.

Nice!

You seem pretty convinced. That much is evident. Anybody can be stubborn. Keep doubling-down on that and see where it gets you. It's no skin off my back. You know me better than I know myself according to you.

I know who I am, do you know who you are? I think probably not. I think you're in fantasy-land.

That's because you're trapped in your beliefs. If it doesn't square with your ideology it must be wrong, right? I'm not asleep yet, I got about another hour until my bedtime. I guess I'm an "asleep Materialist" as you allege. You got any more million dollar words to label me with? Gimme some more of your cliches. What evidence do you have to support your contention that I'm one of the most asleep persons on this Forum? That's quite an allegation sir. At least let's be fair and honest here. It helps with credibility. I disagree with your beliefs and now I'm "one of the most asleep persons on the Forum", go figure! Examine thyself first. You think you're right and can't stand to be disagreed with. It threatens your whole worldview and rubs your Ego the wrong way. But don't blame me for that, that's all on you.

It's funny how you guys turn this back around on me when I challenge your beliefs. I'll find out when I die, I don't presume like you to know in advance.

How do you know that?

However you wanna classify it in thought -- you're gonna die. Let's not bullsh*t ourselves here.

You used the Materialist cop-out. Shame on you! Haha. Believe in death -- you're gonna die dude. Sorry to break it to you. You will die and so will a few people that you care dearly for.

Belief has nothing to do with death. Death laughs at beliefs. You can have all the beliefs you want, you'll still die.

You seem pretty convinced you have all the answers.

How do you know that? That's easy to say in theory but harder to confirm in practice.

Are you awakened?

Enlightenment might free you from domination by the Ego-Mind, but it doesn't free you from death. You will die. You will watch others die, including but not limited to people you dearly care for.