Joseph Maynor

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The heartbodymind is always looking for ways to be an agent for helping the Ego -- so the heartbodymind is always looking about for something to be concerned with that might benefit or harm the Ego. This is why the heartbodymind is often focused on the past and the future instead of the present. This is why I call this system together the Ego-heartbodymind.

(1) What is the difference between Islam and Evangelicals that one is near the bottom of blue and one is at the top? Christianity benefited from being right in the center of Modern European Philosophy and all the ideas that went along with that. Islam missed out on this Modern European Philosophy influence that Christianity was right in the heart of. Islamic Philosophy influenced Medieval European Philosophy a bunch though. Christian Theology is very much influenced by Modern European Philosophy. This might explain your intuition which I think is a good one, although I wouldn't use the word "Evangelicals"; I would use the word "Christians"; or more accurately, Christian Theology vs. Islamic Theology. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Modern_philosophy https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Medieval_philosophy https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Medieval_philosophy https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christian_theology https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Schools_of_Islamic_theology (2) What would a low yellow vs a high yellow look like? Right now, all yellow looks the same to me; I can't envision what a high vs low yellow would look like. Low Yellow looks like a Green who has integrated the pros of Orange. High Yellow looks like a master of conceptual thinking and systems thinking. (3) What would a turquoise who didn't properly integrate yellow look like? Lacking the conceptual understanding capacity that a fully Yellow person has: the ability to balance linear and paradoxical thinking. (4) Green spirituality seems underwhelming to me, from what I understand. It's just people taking yoga classes and tripping at festivals and meditating 15 minutes a day. Why is this taken seriously? Purple, Blue, and Turquoise spirituality seem tough and then green seems casual. Being an authentic person and social ethics are also part of Green's spirituality, Green wants to help others and has a strong sense of justice and fairness that they project onto reality. (5) There seems to be many greens who are science rational atheist people who reject anything spiritual. This conflicts with the model, doesn't it? The model says that green spirituality is about the power being with you, best explored with others. Yes, I know there are lines of development, but it seems to me like lots of liberal people are rationalists and that green spirituality is actually only at the tip of green. Being an authentic person and social ethics are also part of Green's spirituality, Green wants to help others and has a strong sense of justice and fairness that they project onto reality. (6) How can it be said that green worships turquoise people? Isn't that only a small portion of green who are spiritual? Surely liberals don't worship gurus, do they? People's egos tend to place them up two levels on the spiral. So, Green likes to think of themselves as being Turquoise unless they are really in touch with who they are and what they are on the spiral. (7) What exactly is beige? The only examples I get are unusual circumstances like babies and mentally disabled and starving masses. What is beige culture like? Is it cavemen and hunter-gatherers? Some bums on the street are at beige. (8) How does red see the other stages? Red sees the other stages as scared fools. (9) Yellow is such a small percentage of the population, isn't it? If this is the case, then how is it so easy to know how the other stages see it? (I.E. blue sees them as intellectuals, orange sees them as impractical philosophy, green sees them as dispassionate) Who exactly are the other stages looking at when making these judgements? This also begs the question of how was stage yellow even studied properly by the model makers. There are plenty of Yellow people around. We know what Yellow is even if we can't place it. In other words, all of us have been impacted by Yellow people and have reacted to them in our lives. (10) It is said that a broad perspective of the world starts at stage yellow. Before yellow, people are myopic. But, don't green people care about world issues too? What is the precise difference? Green has a broad perspective but lacks the conceptual development and the integration of dualities that Yellow has achieved.

More like integrateable than collapsible. Remember "relative" and "absolute" are just words and concepts. Reality doesn't care about the meanings of the Ego-Heartbodymind's words. We have to train the Mind not to white knuckle cling to its own meanings and distinctions; and that's when we start to transcend and integrate mental dualities and start to expand more fully and authentically into reality. There's a paradox between the absolute and the relative and you wanna work both ends of this paradox.

Fantastic video from the older Leo repertoire:

Truth is a game. Instead of living your life you’re in your head thinking about Truth. Truth is another rat maze.

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Can one know the full-extent to which they are are deluded? This is a fascinating question.

Wow, this is a profound and good question. I can see how it is a game on some level people people become attached to Enlightenment and then that becomes their life, their conditioning, their own self-constructed rat maze. See, this stuff is tricky! Tricky tricky!

@DrewNows I'm just really in the masculine right now. In the mornings I tend to be in the masculine and in the evenings I tend to go more into the feminine. It doesn't always work like this, but I've noticed a rough trend. This is gonna sound nuts to most people I expect.

Rogan likes to stir the pot which is a kind of manipulation. Stirring the pot is a waste of time mostly. He needs to grow up on some level. He's still kind of teenager in many ways. Not trying to be rude either, just an observation. He's a Stage Green guy who can grow a lot if he changed some things in his life and his priorities. Making dumb people laugh for money is a weak schtick. I think comedians fall into the trap of not taking life seriously enough. It's like the opposite of the nerd who takes life too seriously. You gotta find the right balance between humor (fun, games, joking around) and taking life seriously. Too much joking around and you stay a kid. You're the perpetual teenager. Look at David Lee Roth as an example of this. Balance! if you stay 14 years old forever, there's something wrong with that. That's a failure to mature in your life.

I'd like to see Joe Rogan on this forum.

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How do Blue, Orange, and Green compare and contrast regarding how they think of Truth, Judgment, Understanding, Conceptual Understanding, Metaphysics, Epistemology, Absolute Truth, Concepts, Relativity, Pragmatism, Mind vs. Heart, Perspectives, Black and White Thinking, Linear Thinking, Paradoxical Thinking, Relativity, Absolutism, Skepticism, Dogmatism, Morality, Open-mindedness, Duty, the Self, Other Persons, etc.

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Only a fool wouldn't take advantage of this community to improve their life. This is like the Grand Central Station for personal development work.

This one is working.

The second stage of the Enlightenment Path is 100% transcendence of the Mind. You're not gonna be white-knuckle clinging to metaphysics or to Truth at the second stage of the Path.

Stage Teal transcends thinking their worldview is superior because Teal realizes that all perspectives that are White-Knuckle clung to are incomplete. This doesn't mean that Teal doesn't have a worldview, it just means they don't white-knuckle cling to it. Every Spiral Stage has a worldview, but they get more and more adaptive, integrated, and useful as you go up the Spiral. Teal allows thoughts to flow in and out as the need arises, and they put thoughts down when the need for them ceases. Teal doesn't pretend to be a relativist like Stage Green does. Teal doesn't demonize Ego like Stage Turquoise does. Teal is not white-knuckle clinging to metaphysics and Truth like Stage Coral does. Teal is well aware of their perspective but sees through that perspective 100% too. Teal realizes that Truth has pros and cons.

One of the easiest strategies for the Ego-Mind to feel superior to others is to criticize others at every opportunity. If I can be sadistic to others, I must be superior to everyone. These people are fundamentally insecure about their status and their Ego-Minds are using that strategy to place them at the top of the Totem Pole of Egos in their own heads. If I get to be the chicken that pecks all the other chickens, that must make me the superior chicken (or so they think).

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