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I have not been thinking in terms of "enlightenment" for a long time and literally forgot what the term "enlightened person" supposed to mean. I think it is useful to have a definition, since there is a lot of enlightenment talk here on the forum. A person who's ordinary experience is without the separateness of I and external world. If you have beef with my definition, please dont write 2000 word essays here, just post the definition that you think would fit better with a short explanaiton if necessary and we can work from there later on.

That is also true, you are taking it to the next level here, completing a full circle. Good freaking job brother. Nice explanation too. Just for your comment it was already worth to start this topic (not to disregard others!!). Im too busy right now to fully look into everything you just said there, but i'll take time to for that and im looking forward for reading more from you.

Again, im not looking for an explanation of enlightenment. I understand it very well intellectually. I wish to create this definition for us, so when we are talking about this phenomenon, we woudl not have to have the same conversations all the time. Maybe im delusional for trying this.

Also, @Inliytened1 I would argue against this. I think one can have just the feeling of separateness torn down, without having these other deeper truths realized. Like the dissolution of separateness is the first step. Of course im not talking from experience here.

Thank you everyone for the comments. <3 Since there was not a lot of answers, there is not much to go on here. I guess we can agree upon atleast two things here: 1. The "substance" of enlightenment in the classical sense is the lack of separateness inbetween I and outside world 2. This needs to be present in the person's everyday experience in order to talk about an "enlightened person" or the person has to have the ability to get into it on command. Meaning i would exclude people from the definition who has had enlightenment experiences (from doing yoga, meditation, psychedelics or in any way), but its not their standard way to function. Would you agree to this ? For the people who are commenting there is no such thing as an enlightened person, i understand you very well. My goal here is to create a definition, that we can all agree upon, when we are talking about this phenomenon (but have so many different ways of saying it). Sort of like creating an actualzed.org forum dictionary if that makes sense. If you have a different way to refer to this, like @UnbornTao did ("Directly conscious of her nature."), thats fair game, please submit your answers! (Maybe i'll just quote Leo from one of his videos to achieve this and then there is that. Lol)

@Princess Arabia Nevermind me im just joking around, but we are spamming the topic too much. @stephenkettley He can be glad that we gave The Hot Chick a new perspective.

@Princess Arabia You would do the helicopter for sure! Hahahah

@Keryo Koffa What kind of Rob Schneider-esque example is that my friend!

Agreed. Still it is good to have a definition, because of the nature of spiritual talk and people. I want to bring clarity in the language, if that makes sense.

Thats literally how i would sound in my head. It is possible that its coming from Leo, but if not we came to the same conclusion separately. Thats pretty cool! (But current me now needs to stop distracting himself with the forum now.)

@shree What do you use for microdosing?

@Keryo Koffa Do none of you own a fucking kettle? (Call back humor, get it? 😂)

In my recent post I linked a video that helps you make sense of 10 dimensions. One have to watch that video multiple times to understand it. I discovered it like 10 years ago, so at this point I probably saw it like 30 times or more. I don't think it adds value to spirituality, I just thought it's a neat aid to imagine infinities. Also I believe it plays a role in string theory which is the most recent theory I believe?

@Keryo Koffa Yo, reading your comments is a task one has to do before their due bedtime. After reading this multiple times i determined what you just said is quite genius, but you could really work on making it more understandable, if thats something you want at all. One thing though, i think you are overestimating how much psychedelics can do for people. I mean "as long as one's willing and doesn't resist" yes, but i find that quite unrealistic. Good night! Lmao

As much as i hate the answer that genetics have to do with the quality of someone's consciousness, i cant deny it... Also i think early childhood/childhood has to play a big factor. Atleast as in how much one would reach their potential. Sort of like building a solid foundation.

What is it there to have an opinion about ? Or what are you looking for exactly ? I just posted about dimensions recently, go check that out I forgot there is a second part to your question, i guess you are looking for that. Nvm me (but still check out what i posted )

I just finished too. There is a lot to it. I'm excited for future episodes, especially learning more about cognitive development. Going to check back later, I have some thoughts which I have to articulate for myself first.

@Hojo I think I understand what you are saying now. Yes, we experience time differently as the other dimensions. That's because what we experience (3d) is happening in time (4d). As you go further in higher and higher dimensions, you can see time is not a separate phenomenon, but one of the dimensions. I think Einsteins relativity theorem is also a proof for this. So time is not "completely separate" and it is a "physical dimension" if you will. What makes time different is just our perception. Anyway, the goal of my post was not to focus on the fourth dimension, but infinity. Isn't it mind boggling to think about?

According to this video, we can make sense of 10 dimensions. Now apply Infinity Infinite infinities infinitely embedded in infinity = God

Reforming the education system should be a HUGE topic in first world countries. So much human potential is wasted the way we go about life. Education is one of the corner stones of society and if we want get to the next level, it is crucial to develop a modern educational system. One of problem is that we cannot just completely reform education because it is connected to the way society is structured. it has to be done gradually with improvements on other areas.

@Hojo There is only the present moment and that can exist in infinite dimensions. But i still experience the world in 3d. I think our time perception is a different function of our mind. Memory maybe. But thats an important distinction to make in my opinion. (not in understanding infinity, but the 4th dimension) There is not a sense of ours that perceives 4d. That would let us literally see the future, no ? We can predict the future and without that human experience would not be possible, but we dont *see* an objects past or future. Im not an expert on the subject, im just making conversation. Its a decent way to contemplate sometimes.

@Arthogaan Minecraft modding scene is getting waaay out of hand bro. Seriously, awesome showcase and illustration of 4d. If you compare this with the original minecraft for example, you can see that the original does not have actual 4th dimension to it, its just the movement of objects is what creates the illusion of it.

@Hojo Thats what i thought too, but we dont see 4th dimensional objects. We see 3d objects and time perception is a different part of the mind, not actual sight if that makes sense. Our big truth is that only the present moment is real, right ? Now to see something in 4d would mean that you see the objects past and future. Im getting mindfucked right now. Ofc noone said 4th dimensional perception would happen as sight. Its just how we imagine it by default. It could be that we need an entirely different sensory organ to 4th dimensional perception or a waaay evolved version of ours. ...or not. People have been talking about a "sixth sense" for a long time, its almost part of pop culture. ChatGPT, take it away! The **sixth sense** typically refers to a form of perception beyond the five traditional senses (sight, hearing, smell, taste, and touch). It's often associated with **extrasensory perception (ESP)**, which includes abilities like: 1. **Intuition**: A deep, gut feeling or insight about a situation without the need for logical reasoning. 2. **Premonition**: A sense of knowing something before it happens, often in the form of a vague feeling or dream. 3. **Telepathy**: The ability to communicate or sense others' thoughts without using traditional communication methods. 4. **Clairvoyance**: The supposed ability to perceive events or information beyond what is available through normal sensory input, often through visions. 5. **Psychokinesis**: The ability to influence physical objects with the mind. In popular culture, the sixth sense is often depicted as a mystical or supernatural ability, while in real life, it's sometimes seen as an enhanced form of awareness, intuition, or subconscious information processing. Would you like more details on any specific aspect?

As long as you pose a question, ultimately you will always be misled. Truth happens from within. What a cringe answer i just gave you bro. But this is all just for entertainment purposes only. I would describe creation as the film on the screen of eternal consciousness.

This guy is basically describing what they call Rudra in hindu traditions. Also here is an answer from ChatGPT: In the latest theories of physics, the number of dimensions can vary depending on the theoretical framework. Here are some key examples: 1. **Classical Physics (Newtonian Mechanics)**: 3 spatial dimensions + 1 time dimension (4 dimensions in total). 2. **Special and General Relativity**: 3 spatial dimensions + 1 time dimension, making 4-dimensional spacetime. 3. **String Theory**: In many versions of string theory, there are **10 dimensions** (9 spatial dimensions + 1 time dimension). These extra dimensions are compactified, meaning they are "curled up" and not observable at large scales. 4. **M-Theory**: This is an extension of string theory and suggests the existence of **11 dimensions** (10 spatial dimensions + 1 time dimension). M-theory aims to unify the various versions of string theory. 5. **Certain Hypotheses in Quantum Gravity**: Some approaches, like the holographic principle or extra-dimensional theories (such as the Randall-Sundrum model), can involve different configurations of dimensions beyond our familiar 4. The idea of higher dimensions is central to many cutting-edge theories, especially those seeking to unify general relativity and quantum mechanics.