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That looks awesome. Definitely going to check this out!

Yeah I’m just more talking about all these conversations/interactions are based around claims about truth. Obviously it’s all mostly bullshit and self deception but still interesting what those conversations are really about.

It's not even the running thing every day from and to school and all that stuff. You can take Kenyans, Ethiopians, and those from those dominant East African countries who haven't run that much in their life and start training them and they'll still develop quick enough and eventually be dominant. Happens all the time. Particularly these days since Kenya for example is slowly but surely becoming more developed. You have athletes in the US who are training INCREDIBLY hard and get great results early on in middle and high school but then are fried and always getting hurt in college and post collegiately. That's why I don't take standout high school runners that seriously anymore. East Africans also, very interestingly are more dominant in more "shorter long distance stuff" up to say the marathon/50K. Put them in a stacked 100 miler with 20,000+ feet of vertical gain and loss at elevation and they'll get served on a platter. It's a much more even playing field in a certain sense the longer you go. It's really a combination of persistence hunting for hundreds of thousands of years at elevation for thousands of generations throughout human history if we're talking about genetics. I mean, runners from there to a very shocking extent have horrendous form and mechanics. You'd NEVER see say an American woman run with the form of a runner like Mary Keitany and be even sub 2:22 in the marathon. It's also hard to talk about this in running circles because it's so PC because we can't call out the reality of this whole thing. We have to pretend that it's just because of hard work and make a whole inspiring marketing campaign about it and turn it into this Stage Red/Orange mentality of "I'm the best because I train harder than you. Talent doesn't exist." People don't want to acknowledge their gifts... and then they go thanking Christ and God as though Christ was some figure who died so we can all be success chasers... that's a tangent though LOL Same thing in spiritual circles too though with people who meditation or contemplating for hours and hours and hours and hours and it comes more naturally to them and have better concentration than most people and stuff.

THIS I feel like we need a post that just hammers on this point alone. I see people using Spiral Dynamics as this rigid thing. It's a useful model like Maslow's Hierarchy of Needs. People take this thing way too seriously and neurotically, trying to create this imaginary perfected character. I see all of this forum and in other YouTube videos now of people taking Spiral Dynamics way too damn seriously, talking about "embody every single stage" and all this stuff and it's like "SLOW THE FUCK DOWN MAN!" It doesn't work that way. Calm down and take this model less seriously.

@Salvijus @Girzo @Azrael @Shin Heres another lead on how to do this: I assume you guys are probably familiar with Buddha At The Gas Pump? Well, go to their website ( batgap.com ) and literally scroll around through their guest index and there’s usually a link to a website of their guests. Go that website and contact them. Think of it like cold calling. Obviously, some guests like Ken Wilber, Mooji, Rupert Spira, Deepak Chopra, Adyahshanti or Shinzen Young you might not be able to get ahold of. However, you can definitely find people on there that’ll answer back to you. I remember stories of Kobe Bryant who would cold call people out of the blue in other industries totally different from his (he’d hit up movie directors, writers, business people, etc) just to get a variety of different perspectives and learn from other masters. Also, you can also treat this as a chance to learn other nondual perspectives that your path maybe missing. For example, if you’re pursuing say Tantra hardcore, go hit say Francis Bennett who comes at this from this Christian mysticism and nondual point of view that your yogic perspectives might be missing. See what you might be missing. These people want to help you.

If you’re not going to stick to the topic of the post then don’t comment. If you’re answer to everything here on this thread “you don’t know whose enlightened” “you don’t know what enlightenment is” the no one can really have a conversation on pretty much anything. You want to doubt every teacher then you can go ahead and do that. Yeah, I don’t know what enlightenment is experientially. All concepts are derived from experience. By your notion, @Leo Gura was in no position to talk about enlightenment years ago. If you don’t want to stick to the topic then dont fill up this thread with all these spiritual quotes and all this nonsense.

STFU and stop being some non-dual spiritual snob and total know-it-all. Don't like my posts? Don't agree with them? Just going to be a know-it-all? Run along then. People on here don't need snobs. For real. This clown is just posturing like some non-dual elitist.

Would you say he himself is Yellow?

I'm honestly close to tears watching that. Wow... This definitely sparked something. I don't know what. Man... Love that girl This is an example of inspiring, healthy, and conscious stage green looks like too

My first thought when I read this: I LIKE THIS GUY!!! Hahahaha YEP! You'd be shocked at how slow they go. However, they (along with most East Africans) also have a genetic advantage so I wouldn't attribute their success just to that but as far as that example, you're on point.

@Bluebird ON THE MONEY

Okay. So I'm living at home at 23 right now and trying to figure out a way to first get out of here. I really don't want to keep working in low end retail jobs where I'm only being paid $13 p/hour here in San Francisco where it's impossible to get hours. I feel like the longer I've been doing this the more I've gotten comfortable doing this. I know @Leo Gura has suggested before that it might be worth picking up a valuable skill like programming and working in that domain for a bit because my metta plan is to eventually renounce and pursue full enlightenment and God and surrender everything and then come back (I don't want to go into the full details of that since that's a whole long forum thread in itself but if you want to know my rough plan - read the monk memoir in the booklist in the enlightenment section). I'm on Lynda.com right now and looking at all these courses and I know it's a good resource but the reality is - despite the fact that I'm committed to renunciation and doing this down the road and God is what I really want (to be my real offering and service to the world when I come back to serve my real hero's journey) - I'm not turned on by any of this stuff. I'm moving into Stage Green now where I've been craving to be more artistic and free from this left brained approach to work. Right now I really want to get more life experience, travel, invest in my own self-education since I didn't have that in college (particularly since I dropped out after Freshman year), etc. Could really use some outside opinions on this. I also don't want to have a business right now to start because I think that'd be too much on my plate emotionally more than anything. Also because I don't want to invest in just some bullshit business that I'm not clear on or don't give a shit about. I feel like I'm being idealistic but the authentic motive and intuition is there. I just don't want to plug myself into this pragmatic system doing hyper left brained work.

When you personally talk about enlightenment, what exactly are you referring to? Are you talking about reaching absolute total consciousness of everything and all facets of reality and you embody it? No-self? Disidentification with the body and mind? I'm just curious because even in deep spiritual circles don't really go into what they mean by this when they talk about enlightenment.

I think for me it's more just getting all the main trauma out there and dealt. After awhile I think all this stuff can be like anything else where one tries to reach this kind of perfection in purifying every source of trauma they've ever had in their life. Definitely interesting though. I just want to get all the "main" emotional and psychological stuff dealt with and also connect with my intuition and heart with what I really want out of this life and a deeper vision for my life and then take action because I'm still very VERY unclear on what it is I want. I feel like my mind and conditioned desires and obligations are pulling me 10000 different directions but I still have no idea with what I want even after taking the life purpose course and I don't want to commit to doing work that sure, it get's me money after years of work but it really it's all just bullshit that I was going to transcend anyway and it's hard for me to connect with what I really deeply want because I'm stuck in a dysfunctional family relationship and I'm home most of the day. To be honest neither have I. I've tried multiple times but I salivate so much that I can't keep it up for that long because I keep having to swallow. Same goes for my meditation and I don't know how to solve it.

90% of people don't even know how to walk, run, or even bend down to pick up something off the floor properly. I wouldn't even go into the under exercise part LOL.

There's other runners besides Sahil and I on here? LOL I didn't even know I haven't paid much attention to the physical exercise stuff on here personally as I already have my resources for that but one thing I've noticed here from what I have seen on running is that people assume that running is just this spiritual flow, easy peasy, thing and I'm sitting over here and can already tell they have no idea what real training is. Not to say you can't get to that flow state, I've had legitimate highs like I've had when I used to pop ecstasy on really long runs, but those who think running is some effortless thing that doesn't take hard arduous commitment are like the "spiritual" people who want to feel good all the time and pass around crystals and nonsense. For the most part I agree with this because I get what you're saying but I notice a lot from the other side of the coin the toxicity of this alpha male egotistical drive to exert 1000% where they take their hard work in sport too seriously and thus take themselves too seriously. It's a balance. You'd be surprised how easy professional athletes even will go certain days. They make their easy super easy. A lot of athletes I know who've really "made it" really could benefit from a pure stage green transition from orange where their productivity and work ethic suffers a bit but in backing off they really connect with something deeper Be detached to your extraordinary hard work.

@Bluebird This is awesome man. Going to shoot you a message on questions about specifics about this. Also, check out Martin Ball's newish book: Entheogenic Liberation I haven't read it but I know a lot of it is on nondual energetic therapy and with the way he uses 5-MeO even for deep therapy work (when he did do it -he's retired now). I think you can use psychedelics with body work therapy like psychologists such as Wilhelm Reich. I remember hearing one time from Shinzen Young in a YouTube video that there are 3 fundamental levels of the subconscious: Internal Talk - This is the most surface level which is what most psychotherapy is geared towards like DBT/CBT and such. How you talk to yourself, what's that inner narrator saying, etc. Imagery - This is the 2nd deepest level of the subconscious where people like Freud and Jung come in with dreamwork, archetypes, shadow work, etc. The Body - The deepest level. This is where Wilhelm Reich comes in and even Martin Ball and a lot of transpersonal psychologists like Stan Grof. Also, that "Shamanic Breathing" video was all transpersonal psychology. Man if you listen to the stories Martin Ball has on say some other YouTube videos outside of the interview he did with @Leo Gura, you're going to get some amazing perspectives about how much trauma, energy, and unconscious baggage we hold in ourselves "physically".

I'm personally taking a break from my sport right now. Just burnt out and no real desire or longing to compete at the moment. I, like @Sahil Pandit (btw you got 4:30 no problem), am a runner from 800m to MUT Running (Mountain, Ultra, Trail). When I'm training I'm at it 7 days a week sometimes twice a day depending on where I'm at in my training cycle with strength training a little bit everyday and then very focused strength work 2-3 times a week. It really depends on what you mean by "workout". If you're an athlete you're training every single day. There's no real way around that. However, some days are more intense than others. That's all training is if you want to see it through a scientific lens: Stress + Rest = Growth Where it becomes more grey though and more complicated is when you've adapted to enough training that you can say do a really hard session one day and then stress other "systems" say the next day or even in another session later in the day and work on different things. For example if you're a runner like Sahil and I, you can do say a really hard anaerobic or lactate threshold workout followed by some intense power lifting to increase testosterone and increase recovery and wake up the nervous system one day and then the next day go for an easy effort 20 mile run where you're not necessarily pushing yourself much per say but you're training more of a slower cook process in developing your aerobic engine which can still tax you but in a different way. - So that's just a long way of say... it depends LOL

This is actually what I'm more interested in for using psychedelics. I see SO much potential here for this EXACT work and even work for connecting more to deep intuition. So glad to see someone posting on this. I feel like using psychedelics for this is maybe even more important for powerfully releasing a lot of baggage before you get into serious nondual work as modern egos now, especially in the west, are so rotten, traumatized, fragmented, dysfunctional that they can't even effectively do the deepest enlightenment work possible because they're so traumatized in some way or another and can't really develop real authentic compassion, love, and empathy and end projections, bitterness, shame, judging, anger, etc.

LIFE PURPOSE COURSE. How are you still asking LEO this question? Contemplate what you want out of life, read biographies, realize as far as you know that this life is temporary (I’m not going to go into nondual elitism mode and be a snob of like ‘there’s no such thing as death’ because that doesn’t help you nor does that get you to understand anything). What do you want to give to this world? Also, 1/2 a million dollars isn’t as much as you think. If you have a rotten foundation in your relationship to money, you can easily piss that money away quickly. If people like Mike Tyson and Johnny Depp can blow $100,000,000 MORE THAN ONCE, that says something about how it doesn’t matter how much you’ll earn, the chimp in you will still find a way to piss it all away. $500k is not enough to be like “I’m set.” You getting a huge infusion of cash really doesn’t fix anything actually. It may in the short term at best if you haven’t developed any systems or worse, you haven’t developed yourself (to become a high value provider).

Stave Orange reacting to the implications of Gödel Incompleteness Theorem and of Quantim Mechanics. @Leo Gura

Don't bring debates on here. If you want to argue please do so elsewhere. Sharing ideas, insights, multiple perspectives isn't the same as feeling like you need to debate and defend position ideologically. As someone whose lived with a dad whose very much into political science and "philosophy" and treats debating like "a UFC sport" I can tell you that it's a waste of time and just becomes pure dogma. You don't need to go out and argue with people.

What do you want? Short answer: no. You don’t NEED to. The question here is if you want to.

Read the monk memoir on the booklist in the consciousness and enlightenment section. I think this is a good idea for you but also understand that this action needs to be fueled by a positive motivation. That doesn’t mean there won’t be fear but you “yearn for God” and are willing to surrender everything. @ajasatya said it best about the ego relenting at the end of his post. Don’t do this for escapism and also build momentum into this. Also, being a monk doesn’t necessarily mean go live in a monastery. It may mean that but you can be in Zen for example where you can actually leave the monastery eventually to do your own thing. Or you live in a cave and take the vows of say a Tantrik yogi/monk who may or may not have a guru and pursue hardcore full enlightenment until you have been permeated by God in your psyche, actions, and body and then return to the world and start say a healthy spiritual community like that I’d say Sat Yoga in Costa Rica run by Shunyamurti that has a wisdom school, an ashram, runs retreats, etc. which demands enlightened leadership (which does take money) or you may decide to not return to the material world and live in a hut like Zen Master and famous poet Ryōkan. Or you may have a tiny ashram somewhere.

And all this time I thought I was coming off as an asshole