kieranperez

I live in San Francisco, which is pretty much the global capitol for stoners. My rival high school is where 420 started and I can tell you I know a lot of people who smoke weed that are perfectly productive. It contributes to their creativity and they can strike a responsible balance. I also know plenty of people that can go to the extreme with it and their psychology is what can really influence that. Weed has also changed a lot in the last several decades and the overall quality of the plant is not what it was back in the 60s and 70s. The plants now are a lot less healthy because growers are adding all sorts of chemicals to their growing process just to increase the THC content because uneducated stoners don't know the difference between high and low quality weed as they associate the low quality weed that just has a very high THC content that gives a bigger high as simply being better. It's not that different from the distinction between high and low quality foods. Sure, low quality foods can taste better but there is a bunch of added garbage just to give it that taste. So there's a sacrifice. This is true for almost any domain in human life.

Joshu was once asked, "does a dog have buddha nature," in the recognition of Truth he answered the koan by kicking over a glass and walking away. Truth is beyond concepts and cannot be understood by the mind. When Ramana Maharshi awakened at16 he threw everything away and went simply sat at the bottom of a temple for years. Saying nothing as there was nothing to talk about. Nothing to figure out. "The teaching is silence." Truth and Reality lies beyond concepts, ideas, and mind. We can make relative distinctions on things all day. That's what people do. That's very different though than believing they're actually fundamentally true or real. Nothing perceived is really real nor experienced. Nothing that's being said implies that Realization is some morbid state of neutrality.

There is no neutrality. More projections. More assumptions.

Another Leo parrot. Blah blah blah.

Already have but you're not listening. Where there is "I" there cannot be the recognition of emptiness. There is no "I". What comes and goes is relative, dualistic, temporal, causal, and conditioned. It is not Absolute. Any notion of "near" is too far. Truth is neither positive or negative. Truth IS.

Read my many posts on this thread. I’ve already responded to the ignorance that is born out of this post. You clearly haven’t worked with actual teachers or other serious practitioners so there’s little point in actually discussing this much further as you simply don’t know what you’re talking about.

You still don’t understand.

Wrong. Once again. Conditioned experiences are precisely that. CONDITIONED. They are thus additives to more and more mental formations. Not deconstruction. These experiences are also very much dependent on one’s interpretation of these experiences. Conditioned experiences are not realization of the unborn clarity of the True Nature of Mind, Self, and Reality. This clarity is not bound to states or experiences. There’s good reason it is rightly pointed out that Ordinary Mind is The Way. The assumption and basis of ignorance “I”. This “I” that is believed to be having all these experiences is false, unreal, and doesn’t exist. All states that come and go are not absolute. Let me be clear, once again, as I’ve been many times on this forum now. Find anyone that’s had actual enlightenment experiences that has had these psychedelics before or after (and have tripped more than any of you probably ever will in your life) and they will unanimously tell you, “THATS NOT IT.” How many more examples do people need? This is not about moral posturing who’s better or who’s worse or dismissing the utility of genuinely powerful and beneficial psychedelic experiences in certain contexts. It is calling it for what it is. At the end of the day, you’re not coming up with something new. So stop kidding yourselves. It’s funny how Leo calls out Peter and Brendan Lea for dismissing psychedelics when Peter sent Brendan to try 5-MeO WITH LEO and then tells him to ‘nope. That’s not it.’ The irony that one guy on YouTube that bashes others for having dense mind has such a dense mind. Smells like an Orange shadow …

This is not enlightenment. These are a bunch of ideas that are couched in language, perspective, ideas, concepts, relativity, and certain presuppositions. The infinite is beyond comprehension. Enlightenment cannot be understood. It is beyond space and time. Beyond experience. Beyond language, concepts, words, and ideas. The core assumption and the basis of ignorance is “I”. The Unborn is unchanging. It is not “mutating” or whatever other fancy ways your mind wishes to think. Realization is beyond causality. No technique can make it happen. The very notion of “something happening” is also false. These are all ideas. And they’re all wrong. But that’s not what people want. People want to be convinced that this enlightenment can be comprehended by the conceptual mind and thought. People don’t want to surrender. They want to think everything else that doesn’t play into their personal bias are bullshit. It’s easy to think that. It’s easy to be so convinced that such a lazy stupid statement that “western Buddhists are idiots”. It’s about as easy as painting all conservatives as stupid. It’s easy to just quit self inquiry and mistake realization for temporary peak experiences and psychedelic highs for enlightenment because the practice demands surrendering one’s attachments, tendencies, and so forth. The very things that is cling to that upholds one’s sense of identity and agenda. To no longer be convinced and be made humble that everything we think is by it’s nature delusional. Self centered thinking is hypnosis and is ignorance. It’s easy to play to a rather Orange cultural bias that “I can do this all on my own” and not be aware that psychedelics are not even shadow work. That shadows that are born in relationship must be healed in relationship. But that’s not what people want to hear.

Gibberish.

And complete ignorance of what is meant by “unchanging” which reveals he doesn’t actually know The Absolute.

not a bad idea lol

You’re just projecting what you think about me. Buddhism at the end of the day is just a form of practice that can serve to liberate people. I don’t believe in the form. Truth is formless and yet shines through form. I questions all group think (including the group think and dogmas of this forum). I have never claimed Buddhism is some end all be all. Realization at the end of the day is beyond conditions and that’s really the bottom line. All mind states, all psychedelics, etc. are all conditioned. The unconditioned Absolute Reality is beyond all of this. It’s beyond and unsullied by thought. So yes, if one takes whatever formations or projections or views about reality (that they don’t realize they have) it will appear that way. Thought is pointed out as delusion because that is its nature. One might say it’s a state of hypnosis. Whatever states arise as a fruition of Realization is besides the point. Peter was right to point out to you from the beginning that enlightenment is not a state, it’s an experience, it’s an emotion, it’s not even an insight as those are all functions of mind. Enlightenment is not ultimately about the mind. You didn’t listen though.

So long as there’s still that belief that “I” have anything, you do not know what awakening is. And awakening is not conditioned. It is beyond causality.

I know many Zen masters and serious practitioners of Buddhism that are comfortable speaking about things in terms of God. The Buddha didn’t speak about God for many reasons. God is a concept. It’s an idea. That which “God” refers to is beyond concepts. This goes into what the Buddha called the unanswerables since at the end of the day, Truth is beyond words. You don’t understand dependent origination. Particularly experientially. All the different states of deep meditation that could be roughly translated to what might be called “God Consciousness” are conditioned states of mind. That even states of consciousness are conditioned. So experiences like Infinite Consciousness and other such matters are still conditioned experiences. Like when it comes to the unanswerables, it’s not that Absolute Truth cannot be known it’s just that it can’t be known by the mind. It can only be known through direct realization. And direct realization is beyond causality. It is unconditioned. More reasons can be listed but that’s besides the point. I have never found a serious practitioner of Buddhist practice that was never not focused on Truth. Truth is that which liberates suffering. That doesn’t mean Truth is going to cure cancer in the sense that enlightenment or realization is going to just make your cancer go away. That’s just silly. So this idea that those are engaged in Buddhist practice aren’t concerned with Truth is ignorance. As far as whether or not the Buddha ever existed, again, I’ve yet to meet a single Buddhist practitioner who wasn't open to such a possibility. Thought is more convincing evidence of his historical existence than say someone like Jesus. Regarding thinking, thought doesn’t know anything. Plenty of cowards like to pretend they’re skeptical because they’re too much of a pussy to shut the fuck up and put their ass on the line and actually listen and being willing to open to the possibility that they don’t know anything. It can actually be a voracious form of egotism. It’s easy to just look at someone’s love and devotion to their guru, laugh at them, and call them an idiot. Of course. It’s lazy. You never have to put your ass on the line because you just stand on the sidelines and never truly know from direct experience what is actually going and truly make yourself vulnerable to being wrong and seeing how full of shit you are. Another point is, Buddhism doesn’t do anything. People do. It’s about as dumb as saying, “well science says ___!!” Science doesn’t say anything. Certain particular scientists that do science say certain things. Who are you actually referring to when you make these criticisms? You’re just reading some stuff about The Buddha and lumping a bunch of ideas you have snout Buddhists, interpreting it however you do in your mind, and then calling that truth. That’s just nonsense. You don’t know every Buddhist practitioner so you’re just bullshitting yourself. Thought I’d cautioned precisely because of the demonstration of your ignorance and delusion. Because fools like to just believe their mind and are too cowardly to surrender themselves to someone who might point out their nonsense and tell them they’re not actually doing the practice. And this idea that you think you’re some sovereign individual that’s just doing his own thing and doing something new is just silly. The very kind that believes it’s contemplating for itself (first off doesn’t even exist - so that’s total delusion right from the start) is completely made up of language and other more subtle forms of mental impressions that al comes from the so called “outside”. So, who is this so called separate entity that believes is so damn sovereign? Because that’s really the heart of the assumption yet again. You are not coming up with something new or original as there is nothing truly new or original in and of itself. All the books you read, all the videos you watch, everything thought you have, every view, every attitude isn’t “yours” and it can always be traced to stuff outside.

I just said in my answer I know people who know Ken Wilber very well personally.

I know a lot of people who know Wilber personally and he's a machine. It's kind of crazy his ability to synthesize massive amounts of work. His 20's and 30s he simply dedicated his life to writing, Zen, reading, and his job as a dishwasher. Not everybody can do what he does.

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My root Zen teacher Doshin Roshi and his root Zen teacher Junpo Roshi (Dharma Heir of Eido Roshi) who was one of the lead producers of LSD in the world in the 60s and 70s that created Windowpane AKA Clearlight LSD. His highest dose ever taken was 25,000 micrograms (not a typo). When I asked directly, “so was that it?” Direct answer, “no,” followed by a smile. Also my good friend @winterknight Ralston too and many other teachers I know well. All of them the same answer: NO. THAT’S NOT IT. What comes and goes are states and all states are relative experiences by the mind that are then interpreted by the mind which is often influenced by one’s belief system and philosophical orientation prior to tripping. Ordinary mind is the way.

@Consilience & I meeting before I head into residency at a Zen monastery here in Oregon. What a journey it’s been with those of you on this forum started by this Russian weirdo that made the weirdest thumbnails on YouTube.

Not fond of the path this guy is continuing to go down...

This is just gibberish. It takes someone that knows the Absolute to know the Absolute for what it is and also for what it is not. Namely that which has nothing to do with states of mind. This has been said again and again and again and again and AGAIN for thousands of years. You guys think you're really discovering something new with this whole psychedelic thing. Explain to me why EVERY enlightened teacher that's had enlightenment experiences that have also done lots of psychedelics over the course of decades always and unanimously point out that THAT IS NOT IT. Explain to me why that doesn't sink in. They're not dismissing whatever value you may have derived or whatever emotional "healing" may have taken place. They're pointing out that that is just shit that comes and goes and that the mind makes up shit about whatever arises and passes away in experience and becomes yet another conditioned experience that is largely tainted by people's philosophical presuppositions, conditioning, and so forth and that people don't tend to realize that's what they're doing. Are you not aware that Brendan, Peter's assistant, that's taking over Cheng Hsin, that's had an enlightenment experience literally drove over to meet Leo to do 5-MeO and still reported "That's not it"? I mean, how much more do this really need to be made clear? Why can't it just be fucking acknowledged that nobody is dismissing the usefulness and power of psychedelics yet just call it for what it is and also what it is not and put it in it's proper place? No there isn't. Enlightenment isn't caused by anything. There are certain things we can do to help facilitate Realization. That's not the same thing though as saying though that enlightenment is caused by something. It isn't. The Absolute transcends causes and conditions. No it isn't.

@LostStudent to qualify myself real quick... I'm a competitive runner and have been since the age of 12 and was a post collegiate sub elite runner. Studied training theory and athletic science in regards to distance running around the same age and a lot of my running friends are among the best MUT runners (Mountain, Ultra, Trail) in the world as professional athletes. As far as this goes I think playing around with nutrition during your long runs will be a thing to work with. Everybody is different when it comes to this. I know people that do well off of straight gels and water and don't need to complicate it too much. Some people I know have to go with more actual foods. I suggest really playing around with this. I usually just roll with GU's and making sure I'm getting enough salts in. I'd like to know though, was there any change that occurred as you started adding gels? If so what were they? I would also add that it's worth considering the duration of time you're out there too, rather than just distance. 30 miles for me would be a bit north 3 1/2 hours if I was just cruising and not really pushing. For a lot of other people though that might be 5+ hours of being out there, especially if you take into account vert. Also, just keep in mind that some of this stuff just comes with the territory as far as fatigue goes but I have a hard time imagining your nutrition not playing into the stuff you're describing. Drink enough, eat enough, eat well enough, and make sure you're bumping up your training at an appropriate levels such that you're not overtraining. And of course, keep going! You can totally do this. The ultra community is a wonderful community to be part of. A lot of humble yet crazy characters. I encourage to really see this through. You got this ???? Would love to know what race you're signed up for! Do share your result! Best of luck! You're completely ignorant of what you're talking about. Your body has adapted to being able to handle running long distances for hundreds of miles at a time. The science and history on this is indisputable. The muscles and tendons from your feet all the way through the posterior chain literally act as a form of shock absorption and our ability to cool ourselves via sweat allows us to be able to keep moving while still cooling ourselves. Something no other animal has which humans used to their advantage for thousands of years via persistence hunting. There are plenty of cultures where running 100 miles isn't some huge feat. Especially at one point in history.

@funkychunkymonkey work with a Roshi