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@Sven Currently trading Forex a bit but I would like something more passive so I’m currently working on starting to sell on Amazon. Np. @Equanimitize Honestly that’s one of the points I probably wasn’t going to include but I just did anyway. Although, it is all over the internet saying that this is one of the habits that successful people have. Not sure what the science behind it is, but of course I would say its more important to get the 7-8hrs of rest. However, I do believe it makes a huge difference when you wake up early with a purpose or a mission in mind that motivates you. So I guess that’s where this idea of waking up early comes from. People who are passionate about their work will wake up excited to work on their project or business with 2x the energy levels. @aurum That is a good point that I would have added. Especially if you want to sell your own courses online like Tai Lopez you would most likely need some videography skills. The profits there are for sure up to 100% with little to no risk. So honestly selling courses could be one of the best ways to make money on this list. @brugluiz Short answer: Yes @John Lula Thanks and that’s awesome!

I see this time and time again, where people in the comments or in the forums where people try to act like they know everything and belittle Leo’s work. From what I think, it seems to be a deep issue of a lack of self-honesty, and possibly an issue of them seeking validation on their level of knowledge or consciousness. A lack of self-honesty because they don’t want to accept that they are the ignorant ones so its so much easier to belittle other people and their ideas, theories, etc. I often see this in people struggling with narcissism, (which is something I had to deal with in the past) where they would try to make themselves superior to others. “I’m the best, I’m smarter than you, you are incompetent, you are lazy, you don’t know anything.” This is one of the main reasons I get so disinterested in people in general. I often feel that people try to belittle me and what I do as well. It just seems like they get so insecure around me that I might as well just not be around them then. I don’t want to go on too long with this post but what are your thoughts?

@Joseph Maynor If you're talking about me and this topic, then ok if that's how you see it, then that's how you see it. There's millions of ways you can view a thing so I can't blame you. Maybe someone views this topic as me crying about it, or maybe someone thinks I'm ignorant or jealous, or insane, or immature posting this topic. Maybe I can view your forum username Joseph Maynor as offensive because maybe it was the name of some racist criminal who committed some terrible crime against blacks back in the early 1900s. Or maybe its your Dad's name, or your name, who knows. Only you know. Just like me, only I know why I created this post. I'm much more interested in the psychology of this issue and understanding the core of it rather than "whining" about why this happens. Sure maybe slightly I'm whining where I would get disinterested in people who do so, but I'm just mainly trying to understand the psychology of it. If you have read my previous posts, (which I'm sure you have) all of it is mainly for me to understand the deep psychology of an issue. For example you posted on my "Why is sales so manipulative?" Several people on that topic (including you) seemed to just read the title of the thread and post an answer, rather than understanding the content of the thread. I'm telling you, go back to that post and people who have posted on that topic think I'm literally asking why sales is manipulative. I still haven't even got the answer I was looking for in that thread. In that thread, I was interested in the deep psychology of manipulative sales, rather than it being me "whining" about sales being manipulative.

@ajasatya I’m talking about the deep psychological issue of people belittling other people, and asking why. So I don’t understand how your post is relevant. Please elaborate. Of course we’re all here to help each other.

Not saying its wrong or anything but being exposed to a lot of salespeople pitching their course, their products, themselves, etc. often makes me question it. Sales is one of those career paths that make people A LOT of money. Whether its a sales job or being an online entrepreneur selling a product. They do very impressive numbers I’m not going to lie. But what I’m talking about here is, why does it all have to be so manipulative? I understand that its done in order to get the sale, but I often think that when people use manipulation, whatever they are selling, isn’t much of value. If something truly was of value, then the product or opportunity should sell itself without anyone having to give an incredible pitch on it. For example, let’s look at people who run MLM/pyramid scheme businesses. There’s a obviously a lot of selling that goes on in this business, because its a shit opportunity. “Pay $499 to change your life. Travel the world.” “$499 is chump change! We all had reckless night outs that costed us over $499!” Deep down I think they know that their products or services are shit so they have to manipulate people into buying it. And then with pickup its the same thing, manipulate girls into sleeping with you. It has to be manipulative because the girl will often resist because she doesn’t want to be seen as a slut, etc. Ok but it just seems to me that the fact that someone uses manipulation makes it seem like the opportunity to get with him, holds no value. Anyways, I think I’m answering my own question here, but I’m sort of looking for someone to agree that manipulation is often used in order to “trick” someone into buying something that doesn’t hold as much value as they make it seem to be. The reason why I’m making this post is because I’m interested in an online business opportunity, so I’ve been looking around for information and courses in order to learn the how to. There’s a good Youtube channel that teaches this stuff and sells a course for $497. But for them to sell the course that hard makes me question it. To me it seems so manipulative. Maybe they understand that theory isn’t as valuable as action? Maybe the business opportunity isn’t as difficult as they make it seem to be? Whatever it is I’m not sold on it. One of these people on Youtube actually shows how much he makes from selling courses. He has a video telling us that he’s made over $200K on the day he released his online course. That is impressive. So if the business opp is so great, then what about selling courses? Anyways, enough rambling here. Thoughts?

@bejapuskas Lol right? I mean I wish I was the one who came up with the idea of Sprial Dynamics. And exactly, some people are just really hard to help so I’ve personally stopped trying to “change” people. I used to be the person who shared everything I learned online, and tried to get everyone to think the way that I think. But then I discovered people can be stubborn sometimes. So now I just let people be the way that they are, if they want help then they will ask or seek for themselves. But then sometimes you can learn a lot from other stages and more about their stage, by sharing your knowledge and getting their thoughts or feedback on the information. I’ve honestly learned more about stage Orange by talking to my friend I mentioned, so I don’t regret it even though he freaked out at me lol. So I guess I kinda wish I knew more Green people and above so that I can learn more about their paradigm because its best to experience what this specific person is like, compared to just reading about it. I’ve only pretty much met a lot of mixtures of maybe some Red, Blue, Orange, and one Green person.

@Davo124 Don’t forget that there’s a process that people have to go through in order to reach a certain point in their personal development. A girl who was raped as kid by her uncle and beat by her mom is going to have a lot of psychological issues growing up so she can’t just simply “bask in the beauty of how nature designed the tomato.” She would have to go through several years of reconditioning her mind in order to possibly even get to that point. Her problems seem as real to her as her hand is. So its not that simple for most people and talking about it doesn’t make anyone any more conscious than anyone else.

@bejapuskas Yeah its usually the pure Orange and below who are closed off it it. Not sure what it is but it could be the fact that people usually want to be right about everything and they don’t want to be seen as an ignorant human being. They don’t want their beliefs to be proven wrong, so that’s why closed-minded exists. Which to me is absurd, the world and life is too complex for people to assume that they know everything and that their beliefs are correct. I’ve tried to teach spiral dynamics to an Orange friend quite recently and he ended up freaking out at me. Which is pretty much why I said “be careful”. He said things like “its toxic” “sounds esoteric” “where’s your research?” Stuff like that. But I guess it depends on your approach and how you present the information. The Spiral Dynamics model is a bit too complex to teach someone within’ half an hour, which is pretty much what I tried to do.

@bejapuskas That’s great! Me personally, I consider myself a mix between Orange and Yellow. Haven’t been through a lot of green. I’ve tried to share Spiral Dynamics with old friends but they’re not as open-minded towards it as I am. So be careful, there will be people who aren’t and you need to accept that. I’ve been moving away from as much as I can. Not in a neurotic way though, I usually let it happen naturally. I have no one I can call a close friend these days. Honestly because I focus on my own thing too much and a lot of people don’t understand what I value. Not that easy to find friends who share the same values

@Joseph Maynor @Hellspeed @universe Lol guys, If you read my post you would know that I understand "why" it has to be manipulative. The "why" is obvious to me. I was just looking for a deeper answer or basically validating the idea that often times manipulation is used when trying to trick someone or something into something that doesn't hold as much value as they make it out to be. And whoever the manipulator is, understands that deep down whatever they are selling, is a load of shit. For example McDonalds, I guess the advertising isn't really in your face about the food but the manipulation is there, and deep down they know their food is shit. Network marketers, their opportunity and products are shit so they have to manipulate. Products on sale, usually when a product is on sale its shitty, so they have to get rid of it quick. Pickup artists manipulate girls because.. You get the point. Me personally, in the bathroom at my workplace I manipulate fruit flies by creating an apple cider trap that causes them to die. And I've done a bit of sales in the past so of course I understand why manipulation exists and how it works. Again, pretty much was looking for someone to say deep down they know their stuff is shit so they have to give an amazing pitch on it so it sells. Deep down I know the fruit fly trap is shit, the flies think its free food, but then they die. So I'm basically McDonalds here manipulating consumers into buying my shitty food, eventually they will die off of it. @Shiva Generally speaking most of the time it is. Of course there's Leo who has a different approach.

@bejapuskas I guess it depends on what you’re looking for. If you want to be like everyone else, then follow the herd. Go to school to work 9-5 like everyone else. Go spend hundreds of dollars going to pointless sporting events because everyone else does it. If you want to increase your happiness, your level of consciousness, your level of fulfilment in life then that pretty much requires you to become more independant. Because not everyone is like that, so you have to depend on yourself in order to create these results for yourself. Your mom isn’t going to do it for you, the news won’t teach you, the sports on TV won’t teach you, its all on you. But of course there are groups or people that can help you with this stuff so in that case its all about finding the right people. One example though of group thinking affecting you negatively is following a group in trading financial markets. To be a good trader, is to be one that doesn’t follow everyone else. You make your own analysis, and your own decisions. When you follow everyone else its easier to make impulsive trades, which lead to losing a lot of money. So psychologically the individual is affected “negatively” when following a group. For example the group says buy gold at 83.6, so the individual puts all his money into this signal and then ends up losing all his money. So definitely being in a group or following a group has some sort of psychological affect on anyone.

@bejapuskas Not sure what you mean here, but last post I guess I was talking more about society as a whole. As individuals yes, we should look to self-actualize in order to move up the different stages, “faster”, or in a shorter amount of time than the average human being. Although of course we still need to go through a process of living life in these lower stages for several months or years in order to move to the next one.

@bejapuskas Well I mean if you think about it, it can also increase people’s consciousness in a way. The world is perfect the way it is, society is evolving at its own pace, and for everyone to all of a sudden approach life the way Leo talks about isn’t the solution. People need to go through a process in order to reach higher levels of consciousness. Think about how society went from biege all the way to now which is Orange/blue. They had to go through a process which showed them the limitations of the lower levels in order to move up the different stages. With society being at Orange/Blue, it is perfectly fine here because with enough marketing, manipulation, religion, etc. after several more years we will realize the limitations of it all in order to move above Orange.

@bejapuskas Didn’t say you said you blame them. Just pretty much saying we can’t blame them for how they do business because we all gotta make a living somehow. I guess the conclusion here is that the best approach is to have a balance between the Tai and the Leo approach.

@bejapuskas Exactly. But I mean we can’t really blame the Tai Lopez or Dan Lok because they just have a different goal in mind than Leo. Tai Lopez is about acquiring more externally, Leo is about acquiring more happiness and fulfillment. So if we’re comparing the two, I think we can both agree that Leo probably doesn’t make as much as Tai Lopez. So there’s no right or wrong here but its basically like, if you want more money then follow how Tai does business. If you want more fulfillment then follow how Leo does it. I agree with what you said in the first sentence. Leo does a really good job at it providing a TON of free content. Honestly with the amount of value he has provided, at this point he could be charging us for the recent videos he puts out and I would probably invest it almost all of it. He could make a ton of money these videos but he chooses not to. So back to comparing Leo to Tai Lopez and them, I feel like the Tai Lopez can use a bit more of what Leo does with providing more value. When watching videos of these online entrepreneurs, they often provide a tiny bit of value then they start selling the course. Which I personally find annoying, it doesn’t sell me at all.

I miss when I had no responsibilities as a kid, I often always think about all the things that I did. Waking up early on a Saturday morning to watch my favorite TV shows. Especially with the feeling of Christmas, the time when it snows. I miss all the junk food I used to eat, the icecream, the pizza, the cookies, and the colored food. Man all of that stuff was so good. I miss everything about the 90's. I literally was about to write a whole poem but thought, what am I doing. Anyways, is this "normal" for young adults, maybe even adults in general, to go through this feeling or is this just another "trap"? I'm 22 now, turning 23 in 3 months, and this feeling started to come along for me halfway through 21. I've been trying to re-live my past through old video games I used to play, old music I used to listen to, but its just not the same anymore. What does this usually mean? Maybe its just another phase that people go through? Could it be a sense of loneliness, or should I work on my detachment more? If I were to be honest with myself, I don't feel depressed, and I have a neutral feeling about where I'm at in life at the moment. Although I can feel slightly lonely at times, but I have worked on dealing with my loneliness quite a bit. Anyone else feel the same way sometimes? Thoughts?

@c_wave_arts I mention loneliness because I’m trying to figure out what this means to miss my childhood. Maybe its because I feel a bit of a sense of loneliness which causes me to miss my childhood? I don’t feel super lonely, but I did get rid of a lot of relationships that I had in my life. Due to them being very toxic, and me wanting to focus on working on myself. I’d say I’ve came a long way by doing so because I’ve definitely grown to be a lot more independant. I’m not sure what you mean by “If you mean detachment from the pains of not experiencing childhood with the same freedom as before.” I mean on my detachment overall. To work on your “being” is to be detached. Detached from validation, money, sex, drugs, etc. So I mention detachment because again I’m trying to figure out why I’m missing my childhood and where it could stem from. So maybe working on my overall detachment, or being, in life would make me think about the past less, and focus more on the present. I mean I guess we could say out childhood is a part of us but I personally would say a lot has changed for me. Change is good of course, I grow everyday, but life for me is just so much different than what it used to be. Life was fun as a kid, but these days I’ve worked on my detachment quite a bit from “needing” fun. I don’t go out and party anymore and all that. So hmm, that makes me wonder what I’m missing if I don’t desire fun.

@Pelin I think you’re talking about something different. I miss my childhood, the feelings, the emotions. Not the content, or what exactly happened in my childhood, only partially though. People in general tend to remember how they felt about someone or something in the past more often than what exactly happened in that moment. When looking at a potential partner, would you love them for their resume or how they make you feel? I mean, I hope its not the first one.

@okulele I guess I'm slowly figuring it out by already doing so. @see_on_see Well I mean, as a kid, the experience of life is all new to us, everything was so fascinating. Plus those are the times that we go through, without all the social conditioning, insecurities from our teenage years, and everything else that has been dragged along into our adulthood. That's basically why we are here to self-actualize, to get rid of all that stuff and to feel like a kid again. People enjoy novelty. One example I thought of that is relative to this, is couples that have been in a long-term relationship. I'm pretty sure that there's usually a loss of attraction to their partner after several years in these long-term relationships, and I think its mainly because the relationship doesn't feel "new" anymore. I'm not as interested in "fun" or "candy" these days as I used to be, but I do a little bit. Interesting point, made me think about the different EDM artists out there incorporating their favorite 90's video game music into their songs. @BeOne Welcome! @Serotoninluv Made me chuckle @aurum I get the theory of it but I guess it would take a lot more consistency and time for me to fully embody it. I would not say I'm there yet if I were to be honest with myself.

@Claire Verlyn If you are someone who values personal development, and that you are consistent with it, then you will soon come to a point where your personal development will be more important than anything else. More important than friends, more important than the thoughts of others, whatever it is. So if you have grown out of, and truly authentically believe that there is no point to having an Instagram account or any social media because it limits your growth in some particular way, then nothing else should matter to you. This is not some theory that you need to try to believe right now but think of it as a description of what is possible with more inner growth. If you are a teenager, and if you keep consistent with working to improve your life then you will eventually grow out of that feeling over time as you grow older. Sorry there is no advice that will give you quick results but you have to go through your own process of growth in order to overcome this issue that you have. I was the same way as a teenager, I'm 22 now. I used to think that I was weird if I didn't get enough likes on Facebook. Then when Instagram came around at 18, I had an account but kept deleting it because I felt like I was being judged for not having enough likes on my post. So that's why I just used Twitter instead, because you can tweet as much as you want without worrying about people clicking "favorite" on your tweets. Also as a teenager in highschool, I used to be so worried about what people think of my dad's car when he picks me up from school. It was a green 1995 Dodge Caravan. So I always told him to park a mile away so nobody could see. Some stupid thoughts like that. Now that I think of it, I was an insecure little kid. And trying to impress everyone and fit into society was just a stupid little game that I was playing. These days I don't have Instagram, and I don't even worry about trying to impress the popular kid so I can be his friend. I just focus more on myself and what I think is important. If you try and do things just to impress other people, then you are acting out of integrity. If you don't think that its right to have social media and you go and create an account just to impress other people, you are acting out of integrity. The things you worry about now are just a part of a phase that you are having. Worrying about having friends or worrying about not being attractive to guys for not having Instagram is just a phase that you can grow out of.

Lol Leo recently uploaded a video saying that the only reason people care about him is because he provides value to us. True to some extent I guess, but its not like we get any exposure to who he is as a person without Actualized.org. Hell, we wouldn't even know he exists if he didn't start Actualized.org. We would just find another self-help guru or none at all. If we were to meet him as a person before Actualized.org ever existed, that's for us to experience who he is and decide if we care about him or not. Made us seem so selfish with that statement in that video haha. Anyways, since this is a thread expressing our love to Leo, thanks for everything you do. Started watching your videos in 2014 because I wanted more externally. But then it ended up showing me what it means to acquire more internally.

Is this a common occurence for people after taking psychedelics? I want to try and experiment with psychedelics again, but I don’t want to have any issues in my performance at work if my mood starts to go down. I have taken mushrooms last year for the first time and very first time ever taking a psychedelic, and had a bad experience. First time was around 1-1.5g, and I walked 20mins away from home to trip by the water by myself, but that wasn’t a good idea. Started panicking and ran home while I was tripping. Not really any decrease in mood after that though. But the next 2-3 times I did it, I tried microdosing it. Then after that I started to get more and more depressed, work performance was bad, I quit that job, and I was depressed for 3 months. So I just want to ask this question to make sure this doesn’t happen again. If I ever try it again, maybe I will take a month off work and then experiment?

@Leo Gura I mean it all comes down to the timing. Right now isn’t the best time, but I would want to experiment with them even more at some point in my life to further my development.

@Nahm I have tried making tea one of those times actually, but I had no idea what I was doing. I ended up eating the mushrooms because I felt like it wouldn’t work. Cause I literally just put it into some hot water and it seems like a waste to just drink the liquid while there’s still some psilocybin in the mushrooms.

@Leo Gura It’s kind of like trading the stock market, there is no such thing as upward growth 100% of the time. I understand that trading is an orange thing, but I love it and the complexity of it. And I understand focusing on work performance isn’t the best way to go, but I’m just trying to escape the rat race. This just seems like the best plan for me at the moment. I choose to sacrifice my early years to create wealth for myself, then later on to pursue self-actualization even deeper once I have the freedom. I’m obviously pursuing it at the moment but not as much as I’d like to, due to a lack of time. But that is the sacrifice I’m willing to make. Plus financial freedom has been a goal of mine for 4 years now. I grew up with a lower-class background and still living here with my parents so why not.