SOUL

This post is so thumby....be it every day in every way.... simple.

Sometimes I wonder if the mind will collapse in exhaustion and just give up under the strain of the constant mental masturbation some people put themselves through... or maybe that was your plan all along.

@thesmileyone Allow me to offer my apology to the enlightened master for mentioning what my simple awareness observes.

Just about all of it.

@DocHoliday Well, I know what I must not do and that is to continue on in this conversation. Enjoy your beliefs and live your life as you see fit but I suspect you will still confuse your own personal truth for an absolute one since you really don't have any choice not to..... it must happen, right? So be it.

Our perceptions in awareness appear to be similar in experience.

@Joseph Maynor Even without the accumulation of senses that creates perception on which the mind builds paradigms out of ideas and concepts that we use words to communicate our awareness observes the ever-changing nature of existence.

Why do believe this? Often what contributes to the confusion is that existential truth is also relative.

@Annetta Anything can be constructive, destructive or have no effect at all.... or any mix of them. I have found the more complex it gets the less likely the teaching is relevant to a wide range of perspectives. Which is why 'teachers' often say alot of stuff in hopes just one little bit hits the spot. The issue becomes that someone may believe all or much of what those teachers say based on just one piece of it resonating with them so the clarity of that one grain of guidance often gets covered in a mountain of distraction.

Those two beliefs aren't the same. The first is very close to the genuine definition of belief itself which is 'accepting that something exists or trust in someone/something'. So we are just accepting it, by definition it doesn't necessarily imply any interpretation of what exists that we are accepting. We can have very few ideas, concepts, beliefs, explanations and interpretations or very many of them and our belief in them doesn't make them true or exist, just that we believe they do., we accept/trust they do in our own mind. That first one also doesn't imply a necessity of things as they are, just that it is as it is and it also doesn't imply we have no input or influence in things as they are. The second one says everything "must" happen as they do which says a requirement to happen, that there is no other potential way for it to happen. Of course if the universe is of infinite potential as you also suggest in your opening post then that second belief is an inaccurate reflection of what really is because it says potential restricting "must happen". Although, it explains why you then believe a very "no control" belief paradigm in thinking that we have no freedom to willfully intend anything other than what "must happen". Yet again, if the universe is infinite then our ability to have the freedom to willfully intend is a potential that can be....so "must" be? Hm? The universe just doesn't "must happen" to produce musicians, people willfully intend to make instruments, learn to play them and do play, without willful intention there would be no music. So, yes, 'accepting what exists' is a basic belief and a fundamental observation as you suggest, yet, the complex belief paradigm that may spread from the "must happen" can be a spider web of "why's" that could entrap someone into feeding the identity. Our ego wants everyone else's ego to surrender to it's own belief paradigm because it needs to be validated just as it seeks our own belief in it's construct to be empowered. Yes, this just may be my own perspective, experience and fundamental observation so you don't have to believe a word of it, there is no must requirement.

You said this in another thread In this thread you say all of this.... So there are a bunch of beliefs in that second quote..... will you be dropping them? Even the idea that beliefs are coverings to be shed is a belief.... so, drop that one, too. It's living your life in contradiction, do you want your light to shine? Let it shine!

@star ark Oh, I wasn't replying to you but yea if you believe it was..... you, too! Hehe

Faith is the force in willful intention, belief is really just how in ideas and concepts we apply that force. The ideas and concepts we use change as we evolve over time but the force of faith is like love, how and who we love may change but love is a force that drives our will just as faith does. When we align love and faith together in our intention it strengthens our will to such a degree it can transform our experience in unimaginable ways. This is why other's 'beliefs' are impotent ideas and concepts to us that often are empty of results because they rarely have the force of faith within our will empowering them.

You are just so full of beliefs....

@Philipp Well, other than the contradiction in your words it just doesn't seem like you were doing self help anyway, it appears you were listening to others talk about their own experience. Yet, I will agree it is common that people talk quite a bit about abstract ideas that are complicated and are hard to apply to one's own life. Although, watching videos or reading about other people's experiences and ideas isn't actually doing your own inner work, if you had done any you would have at least some change noticeable even if it may not be a huge transformation just yet. So, sure, stop watching videos and reading if you are stagnating on that but actually start doing inner work, that will have an effect. Besides, even if you don't do any personal work that doesn't mean you aren't changing, we always change, it only means the change that is happening is molded largely by others input randomly and your own influence in those changes is little to non-existent.

@alyra We are all the kitty, we are infinite kitties, we are the unified kitty, we are the absolute kitty, we are yet to be kitty..... even if we aren't aware of it, even if we only perceive the every day kitty that we slink around with in this life. I have expanded awareness so that I can not just perceive each of those kitty states on their own but I can perceive all of them simultaneously. I attune awareness to just being present in the state of kittiness as it is naturally....now. In being at peace with the kitty as it is, finding fulfillment in being kittiness, enjoying being the kitty in whatever kitty is. We can expand, transcend, transform and all the rest of these methods and exercises all day long, every day for our whole life but without the experience of contentment in just being with each state, with each change in each moment it won't create that experience of peace, joy and fulfillment at the 'end' of some 'path'. Every manifest of kitty is what it is, it's only us with a yearning for knowledge that will find a reason to label kitty true or false, good or bad, real or an illusion. We are just dancing with kitties and sometimes the kitty purrs, sometimes it scratches and other times indifferent as we know kitties can be. Be at peace with kitty how ever it manifests, this peace will open awareness to all the kitties, the one kitty and the kitty that has to be. Meow!

@Faceless Yes, thought still happens even without memory recall and retention. In fact, it could be argued that a disease or disorder that inhibits one's memory may actually free thought from the conditioning of the past so could be a benefit for enlightenment work. Consider how much of enlightenment ideas are about not being distracted by the past and future so to be aware of only the present moment.

@Faceless Someone who has an inability to recall or retain memories still thinks, they are thinking of present moment interactions and their ability to function may be inhibited because of their memory debilitation but they still have thoughts.

Alzheimer's, your wait is done....obviously it's not so obvious to you and it's not a fact, just a mistaken belief of yours.

These are your beliefs about belief.

You say self help is worthless and that all you need to know is you will learn it your self so it's no wonder you don't change but you aren't even aware of it because you are distracted by your addiction.......

There are people who believe their delusions are the truth and want to convince you to believe their beliefs are the truth, too.

Stop asking and starting being..... it really is this simple. Do wild animals self inquire? Does your pet ask who they are? No, they just be..... so just be. Being aware doesn't require knowing 'who'..... we are a human being not a who-man being!

A sage isn't one until observed as being.... one.

Very.