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This is a forum that is obsessed with the notion that the belief concepts in their mind are 'real' and the manifest reality they live in is 'false' so this issue you mention shouldn't be surprising. Haha

Awareness transcends distinction, not necessarily dissolves it, since if it doesn't really exist as many on this forum suggest it doesn't, then there isn't anything to dissolve.

The words "dead" and "dark" are prominent in the original poster's impression of enlightenment yet with my own experience in awakening it is more accurately expressed by the words 'alive' and 'light'. As I stay present in the moment being in awakening life is fulfilling, it is an enriched experience of reality that I savor.

Too many are busy mental masturbating over their conceptual belief paradigms and miss the fulfilling simple things in life.

Who dat!

Who is asking?

If one seeks the end of seeking the seeker seeks it's own end....so, it's seeker suicide so to speak.

Who is fragmented and controlled? Haha

I experience the end of experience......haha

Well, isn't that what I said? Although, just because someone tries to put separation between themselves and the suffering they caused others doesn't mean they don't pay any consequences. The prison isn't always steel and concrete, it can be thoughts and emotion, too. Anyone who is at peace in their own life, in a state of genuine well being will not intend to cause suffering in others. Their words and deeds, inspired by the thought and emotion they have will reflect the sense of well being they experience. You think you have found some rationalization by questioning if it's "bad", that's just evidence of your own suffering. You're trying to justify it by doubting if it's "bad" in hopes you can take the sting out of the misery your self induced suffering is causing you. Oh, yea, I know, I know. You now will profess to not be suffering but like I just pointed out, words and deeds reflect the inner life. If you were genuinely at peace in a state of well being you wouldn't be on this forum trying to justify suffering. You exposed your 'self'. You can let go of it the need to justify it and when your own 'self' tries to cause you suffering, you don't have to agree to it.

Who quotes themselves?

Who sees it?

Who is asking what causes the I to seek security in the abstraction?

Pain is what it is, a sensation, suffering is an ongoing and continuing pain but pain is expressed in different ways, such as physical, emotional and psychological. There are a myriad of ways that one may separate themselves from or not experience pain and suffering. I can't tell you the "why", that's your own path to discover why but I will say if you cause others to suffer eventually others will confine you in a place that you can't cause suffering to 'innocent' others anymore and the prison beatings and rapes will test whether you know what suffering is anymore.

The "absolute understanding" as you call it, is free from "relative understanding", again as you call it, but is not separate from it..... otherwise it wouldn't be nondual and is really in unity with all relative without being bound by the relative. So the freedom from the relative isn't a state of being devoid of the relative, it's that awareness of the absolute allows us to view the relative through the lens of the absolute. I'm not sure how that fits with your justification of political views but so be it.

Real and false is an illusion of duality, transcend that misperception of the mind which manifests as the concept of real and false to perceive nonduality as it is.

If this simple realization doesn't reveal the nature of it to you presently then I suggest to contemplate it in meditation. Even a finite mind can be aware of it's own awareness, then consider the infinite.

As @Nahm alluded to, the infinite is a challenge for finite mind to grasp, even with that there is finite way to experience it. Let me ask you, @SoonHei , are you aware of your own awareness? Contemplate that.

Yea, because mental masturbating esoteric conceptualizations for decades is real, right? Haha Just be..... absolute infinity.

So people believe they required more than just being present in the moment for joy, fulfillment and peace. They believe it's not belief that they have. Baha....too funny.

Beliefs.

Years of complex spiritualist concept talk won't accomplish what meditating on being present in the moment does and that is where the joy, fulfillment and peace will be found. Maybe if you stopped talking about it and start being present it might change your experience and perspective.

So you believe you don't have any beliefs.... yep, there's alot of that going around.

Everyone has belief whether they know they do or not or deny they do. @robdl

It sure is, it's all conceptualization when we are discussing like this, even when people claim it isn't or they aren't. Once we open our mouth to speak our experience we have already conceptualized it in our mind. I just prefer to simplify the ideology of mind and the path in life by just being present in the moment. It's just another way of expressing what you said in bold. There is a sense of joy, fulfillment and peace in it....and it's instantaneous.