Ananta

Really? How so? Please be as descriptive as possible, so that I can hopefully understand why you would say this? Not that it really matters. Actually, I don't think I've ever communicated with you before now.

@Etagnwo +1

It's not an either/or understanding, but a both/and. Meaning there is only me, awareness, so no delineated line really exists between, me and the objects that appear within me. However, there is a gap or space that can figuratively be created to "see" (neti-neti) thought and other objects as not Self, until Self-knowledge is firm. In this regard there is a feeling that "I", pure awareness, just AM and Im aware OF all objects and they are false/illusions. This is helpful for discriminating the real from unreal. There is a shift in perspective from being identified with/as the I-thought/ego (thinking it is me), to be-ing awareness, that's just "associated" with the apparent person. This seemed a bit long winded, sorry.

@Preetom I'll have to answer the 2nd part later...I ran out of that illusory thing, called time.

Here is where I find many misunderstandings happen- daily life... is very similiar...then it use to be, except I don't believe/identify with the story (good or bad, which are just labels). There is still pleasure and pain too, its all a part of the human condition which you are "associated". That's not going to change. I know who/what I really am and I don't forget that knowledge (anymore) or should I say, the knowledge that "I AM" awareness is readily available, at all times, when called upon . As I view life mostly from that perspective, but getting engrossed in thought for practical purposes (etc) happens and isn't a problem. I still play roles as the apparent person-(mother/wife/nurse/sister/daughter...blah-blah), but I'm not that! Doing happens, but I'm not doing it. It took a long time to "get" that... it still may feel like theres a "me" doing it, at times, but that's part of the set-up, the game. It's designed that way. I started this journey-less journey (lol) 9 years ago. So it didn't happen over night and there's not one thing practice wise, reading wise or even teacher wise that I could say would for sure work for another to wake them up. Actually, waking up isnt that hard, its staying awake and understanding it. Peace Ps, ...and don't think you or someone else will turn into Mother Teresa just because they're awake. That won't happen unless, of course, it's that person's karma to do so.

Yes, but it's a non-experience, it only seems like an experience to the ego. Its awakening "from" thinking ur an ego, thats why its not an experience. It's seeing from the perspective of yourself (awareness) and being aware OF objects, both subtle and gross. It's not a big deal really, it's what "is" anyways. Most just don't realize it, but when you do it's quite funny. The challenge is too not get sucked back into believing the story of "me". You know it (the person you appear to be) has an "apparent" transient reality, another words, it exists...it just aint real. So, you play your role, but not being identified with it, as you. So, you (awareness) will be "associated" with the hologram person, if you will, until the death of the body. To think you will trancend to some mystical place, is a satori dream, it will have you chasing "experiences" until the end of time, still believing in a story, even if it's a nicer, more comfortable story. It's still a story.

If you think the "apparent" person you appear to be, is going to go up in a puff smoke with experience when you awaken/realize your true nature and see from that perspective. You are sadly mistaken.

I don't know why I was tagged in this post? it has nothing to do with the post I asked you to elaborate on (ie, postive action). I'll assume you don't wish to expand on the original post I quoted. Fair enough.

+1 excellent advice

Would you like to elaborate on your post. It makes no sense. Why was his question what you would call a "postive action" (what do u mean by that) to begin with? And why not answer the question?

It doesnt seem as though there is much "space" between you and thoughts you are aware of... I say it like that, because they aren't your thoughts. Another words when we completely identify with thinking, we think we are the thinker. Our claiming of the thoughts, as our thoughts, is literally an "after" thought. Then we judge the thoughts we think we had. See the heist? the mind fuk? In the case of chronic depression it's even worse, because the thoughts can become very negative, then there's a claiming of them as "my" thoughts, then judging how could I have such bad/negative thoughts, then that creates an emotion about how bad or screwed we are and the cycle continues..ad nauseum . If you can see the heist, then you can awaken to see the insanity of what's happening (or what's not happening, depending on how you look at it). Hopefully I made sense?

Yep! Except, of course, if someone is confused by that statement.

"What do you mean by "We are all one"?" Seeing all objects (phenomena) in consciousness and consciousness in all objects.

Yes, awareness will remain, as it is within awareness that thoughts arise, even the apparent person you take yourself to be, is within awareness. That apparent person, as well as all objects (including space and time), are composed/created out of awareness, appear within awareness and depend completely on awareness for their "apparent" existence (although ultimately unreal). Awareness does not depend, at all, on objects.

@Shanmugam Thank you!

“Lotus symbolizes the awakening or the flowering of consciousness." A side note, I got a tattoo of a tribal style lotus flower and an OM sign, a couple of months ago, because of its symbolism. Plus, I wanted another tat.

The two I like the best are Ramana Maharshi's "who am I" self inquiry and neti-neti (not this, not that). Hopefully you know what I referring to? If not, I will explain. If they are effective is up to fate I guess.

Oh, cool! Yes, I like the wave/ocean analogy. I usually just use wave (person) and ocean (as consciousness), but I like it better written out fully, like above. The other is when I'm being lazy or making a quick point.

@Faceless hehe!

I said, to be exact, "So, that's the end of the road for this topic." But, I always reserve the right to change my mind. I don't want to be offensive, as that's not why I'm here or why I post, but your posts don't make much sense to me. Just sayin' And, if you smack me, I might smack you back...lmao. (your comment regarding "perspective"..lol)

"It looks like you..." "You haven't tried..." "You are in..." "This is preventing you.." "If you don't ..." "You will remain..." ________________ Seems like a lot of perspective...and judgement. Just an observation.

@Spinoza here's an analogy. Spinoza is a wave, thinking it's a seperate volitional entity (a person), but it is a part of the ocean (the world), but both are none other then H2O/water (consciousness/awareness), appearing as the ocean and a wave. So, the person is really one with the world and the person and the world are nothing more then awareness/consciousness. Nonduality means, not two. So, the manifest and nonmanifest are one. Nisargadatta Maharaj — 'Wisdom tells me I am no-thing. Love tells me I am every-thing and between the two my life flows.'

Okie dokie. Have a nice day.

@Mikael89 @B_Naz Thanks, yeah, in the past, I had been in some nonduality wars (not fun), but things are different now. Id rather say, let's agree to disagree, if I don't think there will be some kind of a meeting of the mind. With faceless, I don't know where he is getting his info and it's not my perspective. So, that's the end if the road for this topic. Lastly- keep it relatively simple or you could/can get lost for years.