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So I got thinking, what is it that keeps me isolated from the "core" as per your post @Vanish and I could feel loads of traction in my solar plexus like my stomach was going to jump out!!

It's almost like the one's promoting drugs are.... "addicted"? No, kinda taken over by drugs. In a crazed kinda way.

Those that are taking drugs also seem to be biased in favour of drugs but they can only see the bias on the forum against ... also thinking that they know the reasons , blaming ignorance , etc, where some people chose not to take drugs for all manner of reasons. You see this same polarised thinking happens in all kinds of debates, religion, politics etc.

I know you're not going to reply but I wonder if your only concern is that the pawn moves forward a square. But if so, why is it so ****ing difficult? We want to talk / think about things because that's the only way we know how...

I think you'll find it's one thing to the student and another thing to the master.

@Nahm I'm trying to actually steer the conversation away from the free will debate and I'm constantly asking what is it about meditation and enlightenment that leads people to believe there is no free will. But so far no answer. I would have been happy if the answer was simply "because it feels like it." however no such answer has come forward. On other threads I have seen contradictory information that this process leads one to think that because of the "perspective" of the god like state and one person suggesting your whole field of vision changes, but the extremely useful post from Emerald Wilkins above puts that to bed.

As it's turning into the "classic" debate on free will, I'm going to re-phrase the question; Does a non-dual perspective, or at least an experience of non-duality either prove or lead the person to believe in *no free will*?

I just googled it to see what it was and this link suggests it's rubbish: http://scambust.org/holosync-is-a-scam-heres-why/

OK, thank you for all the replies, I will reply to some now and some later when I re-read everything. Firstly, about mental masturbation. I have serious problem (apart from the masturbation one)! lol I have said it before so I say it again, I work long hours and suffer tiredness constantly so I don't get in much meditation. I recently moved to a nice peaceful place and thought I would have this idyllic lifestyle and meditation. My other half works hard too and in the evening she likes to watch TV and I find I can type on this forum ok, but not meditate. I also can't try drugs because of my partner and I also used to abuse drugs and so it's just not a good idea. Yes, I totally agree it's mental masturbation, but I'm trying to use the forum as a book that talks to me. By asking questions such as this one which are pertinent to me, I'm hoping really for a personalised book. And I already know your answer is; forget reading, forget the useless knowledge. I am guilty of trying to gain knowledge and head spinning with tiredness and over-working, can't do anything. (you know the office sign that says "I'm too busy to be organised.") So, one more point: see how one guy contradicts the other: and...

I have to save this post.

My real point of this thread was on the fact that there's many people on this site who say they can separate from the ego, and look back at themselves going about their business automatically. And that fact alone proves they are acting without freewill. They are going about their thing like automatons. If I've got that fact wrong - then let me know. Then from that basis I was saying then, how come taking full responsibility for my universe as projected by my brain is so powerful and useful?

It's hard to imagine being angry for that proportion of time. Most people would subconsciously avoid thinking about your problems or have some addictions or other distractions to take their mind off it. I can't have kids so I get angry about that quite a lot, but it only lasts a few seconds at a time.

So am I confusing this aspect of self enquiry with the high number of references on this forum to "insights" gained, expecting an insight in answer to the question, or is there in fact a different kind of insight which is more a realisation?

Sorry...

@Shin I'm specifically mentioning that threads unrelated to drugs effectively get "hijacked" constantly.

I noticed how the original question wasn't about drugs, nor any of the follow up messages. However when someone comes along to promote drugs, they don't give a balanced view at all, or state why they may not be suitable for some people.

@John Flores or anyone, there was another thread about Self Enquiry but I can't find it now. I wanted to know when asking the question, "Who am I?" one is not waiting for an answer as such but a realisation. But in order to get a realisation, is one grappling with logic, "well I'm not this, I can't be that...etc" or is one merely returning to the repetition, as if it is the wearing out of the mind hearing the same question over and over that can cause break through?

Yes but it's like fucking swimming in treacle!

I'm interested in your reply Dodoster which is almost a nonchalant view on how one could view free will in great contrast to your other posts. I am more interested however in the responsibility contrasted with free will. There are some aspects of what you said where one could declare the exact opposite and find it true.

You know the scene in the movie "Ghost" where the guy tries to push something, and the ghost from the sub way says "no, no, you're doing it all wrong"? I'm like, trying to push and pull stuff physically and it isn't working...

OK, let me give you two examples; Everything we perceive is in effect created in our mind. We can choose where to go, what to fill our senses with. We can shape our universe. We can fill our mind with beautiful flowers just by going somewhere with flowers. (sounds simple I know) But then you wake up and go to work, everything is grey and dreary (you are in England ok, it's a bit like that). But this can translate into feeling dull and grey. ***but it doesn't have to*** You literally are creating your internal world despite the greyness. Your internal mood and energy can feel like as if you were a worm looking forward to that wet day so it can come out of the stones and feed for the first time. "YIPPPEEE"... <this is a worm saying that.

Is he actually asking about the infinite underlying reality though? I assumed he meant you can peel back the layers in this "real" world.

There has to be a certain amount of "coherence" for life to survive. i.e. you give your offspring some milk and it takes the milk, drinks it and improves it's chances of survival. Of course, infinity may contain infinite examples of where this does not happen, and the child would not survive. In the mind, however, it is abundantly evident that this life is one persons hell and another persons heaven.

Sherbet with a bit of coke in it possibly.

....errrr... that you can save a hell of a lot of money on shampoo???