Dino D

I admire Leo no matter if he is right or wrong... I love him and I am thankfull to your question I dont have the answer, but I have the theoretical knowing from Leos teachings, Gjurdieffs and many others so that I could give and exceptional answer to it, but its not LIKE I (me personaly or beyond a person) do know or experience or trully understand it... dont slide of the topic, Im not into argumenting or debating my friend, I just asked @egoless some questions in my style and examples... we should not get into debate about my examples and my style, it all about egoless and his answer, life, and experience... maybe there is something for me, maybe not... againg thx to all of you, it is incredibile that such a place and such people can exist and that I have acess to this, just like that...

I'm not arguing... I'm just making a scientistic like resertch and asking questions and searching for help... I'm going with non duality, looking into christianity (why not) hopping to merge those two and so on, on my own pursuit to happines and meaning... there was a time where I was 100% shure into everything about non duality, now I dont see it ,,working" and I see thing that dont make seanse to me, and then againg I get new cleraty and so on... is a process and I'm reserching with an totaly open mind

Its not about him, I often operate with analogys and examples... the core tought is, is really non duality wrong/false and christianity right? and I dont mean the non dual version of christianity where people with intent in a non dual way explain some christian stuff as if they were pure non dual stuff, ignoring other christian stuff that has nothin non dual in it ... so to say... its hard to explain precise this stuff with words, and if your englis is bad then it is evan harder... so to be simple I ask is Ruper Spira wrong and unhappy, and Steven Bancarz right and happy? I aslo saw egoless as an advanced member here, but as I said before I dont see many of us really ,,making it" it always you have to go deeper, to be more present, to trip more, to just make it to that, to this to I dont know,,, lets see Leo, his struggle and fight gets exponantionaly bigger and more complicated, and so much more more and more... i commented on this stuff also ... its like an never ending infinite spiritual quest with infinite misery, happines, experiences and so on... almost all of my meditating and tripping friends are depressed, not one did make it, but i know a few happy christians but not intiligent or knowing about non duality... so @egoless is really interesting to me...

I have also big doubts about everything and also about the nonduality... So Rupert Spira is wrong? and he (among other great non dualist) is leading us the wrong way, probbably to unhappines or what? i listened to Steven Bancarz and I spot many ego and fake things about him, he is an attention whore and deluded (its not all that he is, i see also beuty in his life but this deluded part I see also)... however he does not matter... my question is, what is your gide now? what would you advice me, and how did you found Jesus, what happend exactly??

As I was younger when i let go, gave up, or changed perspectives, when I something that was important looked as less important and so on I felt relief, happy, motivated and so on... Now I have deep insights, perspective changes, and realizations almost every day, but this does not change how I feel? witch all come from this spiritual path... Example, I feel tense about my job and boss, then i realize I'm not my job, its not important, in fact I have a very good job, my boss went trought a lot in life, its not thet bad, he evan loves me, its just unconciuos behavior from him and so on, then I still feel the same about the situation. example 2 the need to watch porn or similar, i do self analyze to that, i can give it up for days, months, see the structure of that pull, the illusion, the realizations after watching it and that is not worth it, then againg the same pull ist there, nothing changed I feel the same... my bigest problem is to deeply relax, let go, accept, stop being anxious and i cant... there is control over this stuff in some degreess but they cant be overcomed, as I easily did when I was younger, sometimes i just went to sleep and it was gone for ever, now the same stuff is there for years... The question can be also puted this way? How to embody (feel) the theory? Theory vs personal reality(feelings)

Haha, what a beautifull perspective... i really needed that... many of the things on this post are so accurate for me... like you know me better then I do... I saw troght so much and I still didnt saw the thing that have been said here... big thx

Thx

I did, long time ago... I understand this but its not real for me, i cant enbody it... many people read that book, and other books, videos and so on, go to seminars and nothing... I probbably have just to work every day for years, and then, maybe... i will make it... However taping into emotions and pain is possibile, I experienced it but its also very hard and the procces gave me evan additional problems and suffering... ah

Not really ? but i got much much more mindful in general...

Thx, also to @Nahm Im working on my nutritition also... getting some improvement there... Yea, i see, i kind of stoped the practuce because uf the side effects and because i was forcing it... I will start agaung but more mindfully and with less ,,competitive goals" Yea, my job and my personality makes me kind of an opssesive overthinker... However your gidelines gave me a good idea of what the problem is and how to continue...

Partly... its more like: if the beger annoyed me he kept anoying me no matter what i do, or think... its the same with daily emotions, or emotions/states that last 4 months/years... @Etagnwo thx man, i think youre right, but its very hard to break trought this, to face the emotion and pain... my ego/mimd is ,,briliant" in avoiding and suffering... i did meditate and did the wim hof method and other stuff daily, now not so often... i had two emotional relases in one year but nothing changed permanently, and i cant break trought... most of the time i get just more tens and angry, evan insomnia from this ,,work,,

it does not exist?

what a great signature I said that I was wrong a few times here and everywhere and it was not easy, and almost no one does it... if U are intilligent you can always find an arugment for your claim, and protect your ego that is identified with your opinion(thoughts), so you can always be right, from your point of view... One thing that I can observe there, that could explain this is the mehanics of the duality of things... every coin has two sides, and you can never ever protect (argue) only on one side, or you can always choose an argument for onother side ans seam right: Example: you have to eat because you need nutrition and energy / you need to fast to cleanse toxins and use your spiritual energy 2. you have to get married and have kids / getting married is bad for you, you should be free and develop 3. Paint your house in white color so it will be more cold during the summer / Paint your house in black color so it will be more warm in winter 4. Gett a tattoo to look cool and express yourself / dont gett a a tattoo to stay as you were born, and so the duality of things is everpresent in arguing and staying right and finding arguments to supporting your opinions...

If An argument is a thought (1) that suports or denies another thought (2) from the point of view of another thought (3) then arguing is a trying to destroy or anulliete some statment/thought(4)... When an argument is suporting another tought (2) it is meant in the context that this thought (2) is opposed to some other thought(statement) (4)... Sharing has no enemies, there is no debate and no ,,fighting" between two opposed thoughts, almost like there is no other side to defeat... Its just sharing... showing... there is no true and fals, there is that, and that and I show you without claiming that something else is NOT because that what I share IS...

An argument is a thought (1) that suports or denies another thought (2) from the point of view of another thought (3).

Yes, I ment more in the direction can we transcedent the conflict? I can have ego always, but will it govern my existence... Not in the way that every thought is a kind of a ego thing, I think on the root ego, the one that is fully a body mind, that exists and thinks like a egoic person, narcisoid, driven with primal forces and so on... the one that isnt tolerant that has to fight and so on... I mean I can be a good ego... My english is bad so I'm strugeling to explain... Some ego mehanics maybe must exist, but some can be broken 4ever, and transcedent, I belive... but as I observed even here those (,,stupid") mehanics that lead to conflicts are existing... peace

I know by theory, but the real answer is: I dont know.

Faceless, Naham... Why is your wonderful debate any different with any debate of two nice/normal full blown ego people, who debate as example about they viewpoints on politics, sports, or whatever... We have a saying in my country, something like: same Shi* other package... Why I say this, I see the same mehanics in human behavior that are present it the low level of counciousness (with people that ere 100% egoic and not really intiligent) that are a kind of a ,,problem" trought the whole history and society-and that in extreme cases lead to fights, evil war, separation and so on..., SO i see those same mehanics with you two amazing guys, and on this forum in general... We are just not leaving the same circle of ,,happenings" that happen in this world since the begining of time... HISTORY REPEATS evan with you two who both exist on such a high level of counciousness and intiligence... you have the urge to defend what you think, to debate, to be touched by other persons, to prove your truth, to be on this forum at all, to do and say what you belive is right and then seperate a bit, yea, you put in nice words witch seams more like floscules then what you trully feel... Anyways my conclusions and observations about this debate is probbably not wright, but I still think that there are many mehanics that are present in common people trought the whole history of humans that are also present here... Its all the same just more complex and advanced... WHY? Why dont we transcedent this? and finaly quit this cirlce? of the sam mehanical happenings... or can I say it evan like this? why cant we exist as ,,enligtened beings"?

Who is letting go? Who is holding on? how the explain the mechanics of this? If I belive something, who is beliving, what is it that belives more or less? As example, today I was angry because i belived that it sucks that somebody fooled me, then i realized that this is not important, the anger stoped, but its not like I let go, if i go into it I'm still angry, but much less intensity, and I dont think about it... Not a clear example... yea-the ultimate answer is nobody-no self, but i would like to be practical, I let go of emotions, i hade revalations, crying, relasing of big tension, emotinal and physical, and I dont really know who is letting go... and how? my letting go was mostly incrising it untill it breaks, or by really and deeply changing the attitude thowards it, and the belive that its imortant or that it is like i thought-in short-dont giving a fuck, or really accepting it... But its like the ego did it, my personality that changed, or. hmm I DONT KNOW????

the whole world is flat? (a belief) why do people dont fall, whats on the other side-confusion, worry, then you get the info and evidence that the world is round, you can let go-1 way of letting go-solving the problem getting the answer you accept that the world is flat-thats a let go you change youre attitude to this question, youre not interested any more-thats a let go you inquiry, you see that the world is not real- you let go yoi inquiry-you see that you dont exist, and because of that, the one that belived that exist now knows that he dont, he is free and can let go (a bit of a paradox)... still how awareness identifies with the first belief, why, and how it does let go of this, who does that process... its complicated

hey I meditated for 3 minutes, and I have mybe the anwer? who is letting go: its you the person by seing that it does not exist, as does nothing exist that has to be leten go, and when awareness is back to being human is like with any ,,normal human" a problem is solved (you let go) it's the ego, the whole structure of ego (beliefs) gets fixed and understood when you let go of something, a belief is a result of a belief, of a belif, of a belief, of a belif that hold on into eachother-charachter structure, so you the ego is very complicated, with the memory of all evants, beliefs that together form the ego... they are much mechanics of leting go a belief/and the attached emotions (just soliving the problem attached to the belif/emotion its a let go-every human does that), understandig the source of your suffering, its a let go, understanding the source of you belife system its a let go, changing a belief its a let go, all of this does the characher or ego... and by enligtement, the ego/mind gets somehow still the experience, the information, and the realizations of the enligtement, at the end it gets the knowing that it does not exist with all of the structure of him, witch is the ultimate let go... so something like that...

i have similar states, when i meditate and somehow choose by meditating, still to think activly, then it gets to daydreaming, mixed with a bit of falling almost a sleep, and then happen scenarios where my life evants gets mixed, like i belive I did today in a specific situation something different that i did in ,,reality"... I think its some mix from being awake/thinking with starting dreaming (falling a sleep)...

So all of this what I do (as a human-just to be practical) and feel, and let go and so on, is in fact the work on ego... Evan the enlightement experience is infuencing only the ego who then feels free, happy, or schocked and depressed... a beautifull let go, its done by the ego, by Dino?

not bad, but one step is not clear: how is awareness attaching to a belief, holding on, why it attaches to some beliefs, some not? Imagine this, awareness (no propetis, nothingness) gets aware of two beliefs (i'm human I'm a chair) and it attaches to I'm human... why, how, who choose, how does it hold on, what happends by letting go, who is doing this...

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