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Yeah seems like you are not the sharpest pencil in the drawer. In order to eat meat, an animal has to die. This is irrelevant to what we are talking about here.

@My_Name_Is_Mud Dont mix spirituality in this dude, you make things complex. Accepting slaughtering animals as an everyday thing is a result of indoctrination of seeing them as food and not as sentient beings aka friends. With that arguement i can murder your whole family and you wouldn't care, right? If not why grasp so firmly on that belief system then? Because morality is not a belief system it is common sense and result of a feeling caled empathy. If there is no customer for that product, there would be no slaughter houses. The only reason this happens is because people are willing to buy it. If you stop consuming they have less consumption and slowly but surely they reduce the production. You can think that if everyone on earth was vegan there would be no slaughterhouses because no one would buy meat so if we move towards that ideal we make a change. The only reason they do that is because they can sell more meat and produce more product as you said yourself. If you try to go on the "make better conditions for the animals" argument, why don't you think that there is no reason to murder them in the first place. What are those fundamental issues anyway?

@My_Name_Is_Mud Are you comparing yourself with a shark? Don't you have moral values? Also sharks kill in order to survive, you go to the grocary store and buy your meat meaning you kill for taste pleasure. You don't need it for survival. Do you see the difference here? @TJM1959 Morality 101. There is no reason to kill sentient beings for your taste pleasure. If you try to find an argument to justify the innocent death of animals you will realise that the same argument can be used to kill humans in certain conditions which instantly makes the arguement wrong. Point out a diffrence present in animals that justifies killing them.

This gets too complex by mixing spirituality in it. Folks in here can't even understand the basics of morality. @TJM1959 @TobyYou still fail to take responsibilty and you twist it back to me. tu quoque fallacy is not an argument. Answering criticism with criticism on the accuser is not an argument. Make an argument why it is moral to kill animals or shut the fuck up.

@Steph1988 That question is not productive in the first place. Ask yourself what makes killing animals moral?

Do i have to justify for killing just 1 person per month?

@My_Name_Is_Mud Cancer number two detected. If i find 2 more this forum would become borderline carcinogenic

Then you are not vegan. @Toby You do realize your father can kill his children with this retarded argument right? He helped them being born in the first place. This is not a valid argument. If flesheaters oppose human murder, they need to point to a difference present in animals which if present in humans would justify murdering humans. for example: animals are less inteligent, so if you are less inteligent than me, does it justify killing you? no animals are delicious, so if human flesh was delicious, does it justify to kill humans? no animals are inferior life form, so if aliens came to earth with superior technology, does it justify to slaughter us all? no Now if you got it you realise that there is no counter argument against veganism. But dont forget it is easier to commit the "tu quoque" logical fallacy than actually engage with the criticism.

@Steph1988 Tasty though is not an argument, what more can i say? It just shows stupidity and the same argument can be used to eat humans and everything alive which makes it invalid. Do you opose human murder?

@Rider Nice, go to nutritionfacts.org for non biased evidence that what we are advocating here in terms of health is not dogma but scientifically proven. The anecdotal claims about people having any kind of issues on the diet show that they probably did some mistake themselves e.g. not too many calories, little variety and not getting your essential macros and vitamins.

@Steph1988 i can say that about anything alive dude, you dont prove anything except being ignorant and immoral.

@Evilwave HeddyYeah probably wasn't clear enough but again if you dont know how can i criticize you? it doesn't make sense. Also i can imagine if it went that bad in here how bad it would go with any other omnivore because it is easier to get offended than to take responsibility. Now that we got this out of the way lets steer the subject onto veganism.

@Evilwave Heddy I assume the spoiled brat part sounds condescending but justifiable. I stated it that way in order to mean that after you are educated on the matter if you continue your immoral behavour then yes, you are a spoiled brat whether you deny it or not. What is your issue with this statement?

Sorry guys it is all my fault that i changed the subject and started talking about how you state the facts, sorry again my fault it was all my ego.

@Evilwave Heddy I never denied the existence of my ego.

@Evilwave Heddy Do you identify with the forum now? HAHAHAAHHAHA Oh boy feels bad being stupid i feel you man.

If i have to give props to formal education on something it would be that there is some structure there although it is like having a map of Paris and being on London. It's almost a year since i started being an autodidact and the only issue i face is that i don't know what to study and how to structure my education. It is maybe the fact that i don't have a definite life purpose yet which makes things rather difficult but if you set that aside: How do I structure my autodidact journey? Should i also find a job as long as i am educating myself or is it justifiable to just self-educate on itself? What can i do to bring some concrete purpose on my self-education process and eventually on my life?

You are all egomaniacs that deny to be self conscious of it but are the first ones to point it on someone else. I wouldnt doubt it if you are here in order to feed your egos in the first place.

@Annetta You are the cancer of this forum someone needs to extract it.

@blazed@eskwire You see blazed is not insecure about himself and knows the truth. He is aware of his actions and takes responsibility for them. Be like blazed and eventually go vegan of course.

To sum things up the whole post could be described by this.

Dont offend me, i will change the subject and talk about the way you phrase your point. Are you all that manipulative or is it just today? Nope, with that criterion, i would communicate it bluntly so we get over with this but no it went downhill from there. You know it has nothing to do with dogma, only with ego. That's what i hoped and as i already said came here with a positive bias but seems like political correctness runs amok in here. The whole point of my arguments was to be honest and get the point across but seems like your egos are too fragile.

Intelligence has nothing to do with grades. If you are actually intelligent though you are going to realize that the majority of people aren't. That doesn't mean you are going to be arrogant, more like accepting that this is life. Be careful of people labeling you with words like arrogant, they may be insecure about their own worth. what if you actually are smarter than your people around you? Should you deny this fact? No, just accept it but there is no reason to state it verbaly. The best use of your intelligence is for motivation to improve your emotional intelligence and your knowledge. Also if you are the smartest man in a room, leave the fucking room.

Just noticing you aren't a man of your word. This gets refuted by this: Context! I assumed (my bad) that forum people>ordinary people but at the end of the day they are all the same egoic maniacs that get offended by different beliefs. Does it help discuss the main subject? IT DOESNT Are you delusional? Strawman arguments dont work on me. You are manipulating my words to sound smart but you dont. Why don't you tell me your real motives and not this kind of crap? What are you trying to do here?

@Evilwave Heddy That is not creative man, find your own memes. Oh i forgot you may get offended just by searching the web, nevermind take mine.