Socrates

@username It comes into circle. What do you want to say here?

@username the fact that they aren't solved yet.

@username Human nature but still that doesn't mean we won't even try to solve them.

@username It doesn't determine what reality is, it determines what we do, our motivations and purposes.

@username This is the human nature.

@username So our kids and their kids etc etc have a life.

@username Because we want to go forwards as a race and not backwards(death).

@username To avoid the destruction of the world. With that aside to improve life on earth for everyone and aid the human race on a good path.

@username The fact that need to be solved.

@username Kids in africa, mainstream materialism, educational system, terrorism, stracture of politics, global warming. These are some problems that come to mind. I dont need those problems to excist, they just do.

I dont need an imperfect world. The world just is imperfect. Personally i would prefer a perfect one. This is somewhat completely irrelevant here. You assume that the problems of the world are self-centered around me. This is not the case, the problems have nothing to do with me. Again you assume. This doesn't happen. There is no victim position neither did i complain about hostility. You simply fail to understand what i write. I can come from a perfect world position just to accept it and move on to improve it. It makes sense only if the second step is to do something about it. If i have only to accept it as it is and it ends there it doesnt make sense. The world is perfect as it is. There are no ways to do that at least as far as i know. I understand at least that i have a rational paradigm. Some things are absolute. Only meditation. Below this it doesn't make sense, elaborate.

Be more assertive. Kids in highschool are unstable/undeveloped psychologically because of social condtiioning and insecurities. You are in a really good position as a high school student reading high quality books and doing the self development work. I don't say be an asshole, i say be assertive, confident and hold your ground. If you lean too much on the kindness side, tweak it a bit towards the assertive/confident side. I actually believe you can get away with anything in high school if you own your confidence and do you unapologetically.

@Leo Gura You probably know what you are talking about reading between the lines but still this basically destroys Life Purpose. There is no need for Life Purpose in a perfect world, only for truth. I have great expections from my life purpose that's why i probably face so much resistance even on entertaining the idea of a perfect world. I can come from a perfect world position just to accept it and move on to improve it but step one just accept the world as it is, i cant wrap my head around it. Also even the idea that i am going to be in a state that everything is perfect and doesn't need any change brings me goosebumps. Even the fact that it doesn't make sense theoritically makes it scary. If it doesn't even make sense why am i supposed to chase it? Yeah too many questionmarks here. Oh by the way, make an effort to stracture a foundational series like the really first videos and the blueprint just a little more concrete to help us guide through. I imagine them like the foundationals of self-actualization series that describe the most foundational concepts of the work we are doing, not just spread here and there but concrete and in stracture from video 1 to video x.

The only one i see that his beliefs have been challenged is you and you aint doing that well. You have no idea what you are talking about. Killing is natural should i kill? Go study logical fallacies, you clearly lack knowledge on the subject. You still talk out of thin air without any knowledge on the subject. The only supplementation vegans need is b12 which is located in bacteria on the soil. So 1000 years ago you would get it just by default when eating seeds, fruits and vegetables from the ground. The age expectancy is reducing at the times we live because of all the high cholesterol foods so yeah you are wrong in this one too. Humans didn't evole to eat a plant-based diet, humans were designed to eat a plant based diet. You still fail to understand that the only reason you consider animal products as food is because you have been indoctrinated into that behavor. You don't need them, they are not healthy, the only reason you consume them is because they are marketed perfectly and they are also really tasty.

@Leo Gura You clearly misunderstood my position here. When i use the "good vs evil" paradigm to prove a point it doesn't mean i embody it. We cannot communicate if i don't use "good vs evil" temporarily. We have overcome the "good vs evil" and "words are concstructs" paradigm, we are above it. This is probably a written language issue though. You don't know what i feel when i say evil if at all. Words by default are neutral so why didn't you set the baseline that there is no attachment to those words. What you have written shifts away from real life. It is all about my mind and its constructions which is like going backwards. The issue i mainly address is how "life is perfect as it is" detaches you from responsibility and action. You focus upon the labbels i use and i focus upon real life issues. Let's take the same hypothetical example with the new Hitler. It doesn't matter if the Buddhist see him as neutral or whatsoever, i practically would do the same, it matters if they are going to do anything to stop him or not. I don't focus on the label, i focus if the problem has been solved or not. Labeling it "evil" is an easy way to refute him for the masses. It is not addressed if they would do anything or not and obviously the new hitler is not the best example but you get the point. If the advanced paradigm of the Buddhists doesn't aid in the creation of a ideal world longterm but only serves itself by making them enlightened and fuck everyone else, is it that pragmatic and advanced? Also in regards to judgment my points are really nuanced and reffering on the micro level. On the macro we agree how toxic judgment is but the micro is not addressed at all. I became aware recently that in order to make a desicion i need to judge stuff as good or bad and i suppose many other people do the same. Is this kind of judgment toxic? If yes, how am i still going to make accurate desicions without using judgment? If not why wasn't that adressed in the video? We are on completely different page here at least you addressed my points with one sentence but still that doesn't cut it.

Do you read emotions too? Natural is not an argument. The person that eats mainly seeds, vegetables and fruits needs technology and not the person that eats the end results of factory farming. google search iron sources, b12 supplement (cyanocobalamin)

@electroBeam Your intellectual inconsistency is insane. Of course you need b12 supplementation as a vegan. The problem is you link "studies" that can be literally be refuted with a google search. How can you be vegan and dare to site those kind of "studies"? Also what kind of vegan would "refute" on veganism with "studies"? You dont need any animal products for ideal health, this is the point here.

This is so freaky. I had the exact same thought today.

@electroBeam Your ignorance is more dangerous. Taking the first article out of biased and sellout websites like authority nutrition and putting it here as a proof, is dangerous. If you were into it for the truth you wouldn't do that but you read what you wanted to read so research done. This is your problem, you are really ignorant. You don't know jack shit about nutrition but you still form an opinion out of thin air just because it justifies your current behavor. You then find corrupted sources that prove your position correct and bingo you made a conclusion on veganism. I mean it is productive to shut your brain off with spirituality but have you forgotten how to turn it back on?

Well fucking said @pluto & @WaveInTheOcean

I have the power of now literally sitting next to my bed for 3 months now and haven't started it yet. Is it that good?

"Even if I knew that tomorrow the world would go to pieces, I would still plant my apple tree." You can refute his points with one sentence. Suffering, depression and suicidal tendencies are not such rigid unpreventable and unfixable states as he is describing them.

@Leo Gura Well stated here. Although does it really change anything to tweak the argument? Like they are many people who are completely aware of non-duality and wait for vegan advocates to drop their moralizing aspect to switch. It seems more likely that the message should be tailored for the reciever who is highly unconscious (of course not intentionally by Gary). At the end of the day it is better to make his kind of argument than non at all. At least there is some action involved in his case that is actually helping.

@Michael569 Yeah for sure, as Socrates said "The secret to change is to focus all your energy, not on fighting the old, but building the new". My point here goes deeper. If our work here has margin for even the possibility of not understanding my simple argumentation, something needs to be fixed. It also shows how cognitive bias rules this human machine and that is extremely important for us if we want to be objective and improve.

@Michael569 No dude it doesn't work like that. The cognitive dissonance takes the steering wheel of the conversation and then it is a mess. They bring up spirituality and all kinds of woo-woo and theoretical stuff that don't have anything to do with the real world. You need to bring up real arguments and shift the conversation back to reality where your actions actually have some meaning in order to nail this point down. But when you have so many preconceived notions about reality, ethics, morals, good and bad you can't do that.