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@Leo Gura yes, both sides need to master feminine and masculine traits, being more logical is integrating the masculine. I’m suggesting that instead of treating us like we are children, maybe step up in your communication skills, learn about emotions, kids don’t have their frontal lobe fully developed to be able to put things together, but we of course do, not only that but we are highly intuitive, super connected to nature, we birth children into reality, we are a bit far from being children.. We are talking about the issue of men not being able to meet us emotionally and instead of addressing the issue, you fire back criticizing us as a defense mechanism, instead of talking about the thing itself. I agree with both sides, men and women need to put more effort into understanding and meeting the other where he/she is at. I also see many more women in workshops and retreats than men, curious what you think about that. IMO and from what I see is that there are more women working on themselves than men. Men tend to only work on themselves to pick up women, not for personal development purposes of knowing themselves and becoming more whole, take you for example, your awakening most likely started after you got involved with the pick up community.

Also it’s actually funny men saying that they need to talk to women like they talk to a child because I hear so many of my friends justifying their bfs bad behavior and speaking about them like they are children “but he is a good guy, he started telling me when he is uncomfortable, his communication is improving, he actually started talking more” like they are referring to 3yo that is learning the abc.

I think leo might be talking about the ability to communicate with women, not manipulate. If you pick spiral dynamics for example, the more evolved the stage, the better the communication. Countries that are red and blue fight whole wars because they don’t speak the same language and lack the understanding of the other. Men and women speak different languages, it’s the work of each individual to integrate the masculine and the feminine within himself/herself to become whole. The masculine men nowadays do not see value in emotions and feelings, and the feminine women usually can’t be logical. It’s the realm of the heart and the mind. This feminine communication is like a 6th sense, it’s subtle and gentle, intuitive. Men need to integrate those feminine traits to see their value. We women use more words daily, statistically speaking. Noticed how we put more effort in the wording here while men write very short paragraphs. We not only speak the language but because of childbearing we can read beyond the words, the body language and subtle energies. Men can develop that too, but that would require them to turn off their mind a little, connect to the body, to the heart. In the end it’s all a beautiful dance of duality, feminine and masculine trying to find equilibrium. Matt Kahn says that our life’s journey is to unite our brains right and left hemisphere, both sides need to put extreme effort into understanding the other, not only for developing a deeper connection to others but for self realization.

@BlessedLion definitely, I think a relationship should make your life easier and not more difficult but at the same time I think romantic relationships are one of the best mirrors to shape and see ourselves, so it’s quite challenging and requires effort like everything in life. We are in a fast food society, we have way too many options and we want things really fast, so most people run away from relationships because they don’t want to look at themselves and do all the work. I lived with a nun for 3 years, she always told me that meditating all day was easy, to go to the ashram and be there with the monks was easy. The difficult thing is out there, in society, dealing with people, that’s where the work is. It’s easier to love things, cats, dogs, cats and objects. It’s difficult to love people, to deal with them. Think that you are a man in an island, if you are all by yourself, would you care shaving your beard? Would you care having manners? Would you care how you look? We can only mold and recreate ourselves in relation to others, all relationships shape us, but romantic ones in specific are those mirrors that we hold very close to our face, where we can see all your imperfections, the deeper the relationship the more things are revealed. The loner life tends to be easier. When Michelangelo sculpted David, he said that the took out of the block of marble everything that wasn’t David, and a good partner will do the same thing to you, they will hold a vision of your best self, call you out on your bs, they can see your potential and the real you, they won’t accept any less. I think that is the reason most people decide to be alone, because in a way is too difficult. But in the bigger picture, God, the universe or whatever you call it, will place you in the relationships that you can grow the most, if you are not growing and expanding together, it’s not useful for the whole.

I think many men would be way far ahead in the god realization process if they got this part of their life down (having a partner) Leo himself posted something a while back on the blog or forum, I don’t remember, about trying to find a witchy girlfriend. This path is very solitary, we are not meant to be alone, whoever denies that is full of bs, denying creation is to deny the most powerful force in existence. There is so much deconstructing to be done before we can reach deeper levels of connection in romantic relationships, whatever math Leo did clearly didn’t work for himself, he thinks pushing men into pick up will help them get rid of their needs cause he sees romantic relationships as a primitive need and not something beautiful that will help you tremendously along the way, romantic love for him is just something to be overcome. Say whatever you want about Osho’s work, he could have been a pervert and a cult leader but he was one of the very few spiritual teachers that spoke openly about sex and relationships, to move towards it, not against, to dive into it and not to run away. What is a better way to realize god than to merge with another? The only way out is through it. But at the same time I agree with Leo, things can get real messy lol

I’ll leave this here "It is not the critic who counts; not the man who points out how the strong man stumbles, or where the doer of deeds could have done them better. The credit belongs to the man who is actually in the arena, whose face is marred by dust and sweat and blood; who strives valiantly; who errs, who comes short again and again, because there is no effort without error and shortcoming; but who does actually strive to do the deeds; who knows great enthusiasms, the great devotions; who spends himself in a worthy cause; who at the best knows in the end the triumph of high achievement, and who at the worst, if he fails, at least fails while daring greatly, so that his place shall never be with those cold and timid souls who neither know victory nor defeat."

@WikiRando The worst thing you can do to a human is put him in solitary confinement, that’s how people die. Find like minded people, it’s difficult but they are out there. Here in the forum there are many, or better than finding them, create a community. it’s true that the majority of people are low consciousness but this is another reason why you should put your work out there and help raise their consciousness. I started as an extrovert and now I’m an introvert so I have no issues talking to strangers or being myself freely (5meo showed me that other people don’t exist). I’m also in a loner phase and about to go back to where I used to live to be closer to friends, it’s depressing to be too much alone, on all levels, physically we need oxytocin, emotionally we need to feel supported, mentally we need to see that there are other thinkers like us so we don’t feel like an alien.. May you find the right people and have the courage to speak your truth to those who have ears to hear.

Leo!

@OBEler dude he is suicidal, we take psychedelics to enhance sober reality, not to run away from it. You need a good solid foundation to go far, if you are not stable in normal reality psychedelics will fuck you real bad. It shocks me that no one is talking about the pink elephant in the room. To ascend you need to descend into the body first, doing several doses of 5meo is not compassionate with the process of the body. The body is the one leading the way, our mind is already there. He will end up getting sick, which apparently is already happening otherwise he wouldn’t be in such a state of agony looking for a miracle in a substance. He would benefit most from a hug and a human support system than from hammering his ego with the most powerful substance known to man. It doesn’t take much to foresee where he is going towards. It doesn’t matter if he puts all the fluff in his words and describes it as enlightenment. What matters is how you treat yourself, the level of self love you have embodied, the compassion you have with your own process and your body’s process. Anything else is bs.

You are talking about 5meo like an evangelical talks about God. There is no God guiding you, the God is you and it’s time for radical self responsibility, you are driving full speed into a wall and even tho you are aware of it, you accelerate anyways. If you go into it with naivety and cockiness it will bite you in the ass, ego backlash for sure. It took me almost a year to recover and integrate fully from my 5meo trips, a fragile ego doesn’t think clearly, to transcend the ego, first you need a healthy one. A fragile ego is the most dangerous thing, it’s death territory, and you are very well aware of it, don’t fool yourself, your life is in your hands, don’t talk like a fanatic saying that there is a force guiding you, take 100% responsibility, your life is precious. There is no path to enlightenment without self compassion, it’s not very compassionate to smash your ego over and over and expect it to reach bliss in the blink of an eye. We all know it’s not a smart way to do enlightenment work. You keep saying that if you surrender it will all be ok, knowing very well that you created this thread because deep inside you know that is the way to self destruction, if it was really part of a flow you would have done it already. Listen to the intuition that made you create this thread and be cautious. Our ego is not evil, it’s just a less developed part of our soul, it deserves respect and it serves a purpose. Give yourself a break, give your body a break. Taking 5meo is like trying to pass 220 volts into a machine that only comports 110, eventually it will break. You must be wise and prepare your body for the load. It’s not a coincidence that monks sit in stillness for years to get to where 5meo takes you. Psychedelics are an amazing tool, but you need to be smart on how to use it. Slow is smooth and smooth is fast. Sending you love 💕

So a year ago my friend gave me some APEs he grew and said "Take those, I loved them, I was laughing for hours" I ended up taking around 2 grams and was in fetal position for hours, Ive had other crazy trips that Ive taken heroic doses before but this one in special revealed a sexual abuse from an uncle of mine. A little backstory, my uncle had a bar on the 1st story of my grandmas house, (this uncle is my grandmas brother) and of course he was an alcoholic, he lived with my grandma and aunts, typical latin family where everyone lives together, I was his favorite niece and would go to the bar all the time because he also sold candies there, and for some years my dad would never pay when I got things from there, I had a sweet tooth and it bothered him that I went there to get candies aall the time, to the point that my dad started paying for my stuff, the bar was full of drunk old men, I was very little, and I have 0 memories of my childhood cause my dad tried to kill my mom several times. I think in my littl mind the abuse was like an exchange for sweets, this makes me want to throw up.. Back to the mushroom trip, the mushroom showed me really ugly stuff, to the point that I had to vomit because my logical mind could not accept and process evryhing, I was disgusted, everything started making sense, but its all blurry too, the trip was very dark and messy, I called my sister to vent and we started putting things together, and it all made sense, a month after this trip a cousin of mine committed suicide, this cousin was abused by this same uncle when she was 3yo, everyone ignored her mom at the time, cause she is a distant cousin, everything was put under the rug. The timing of everything was crazy, the trip, the suicide. She died without knowing the abuse, her mom never told her, I remember my grandma saying at the time that it was her fault because she would seat on my uncles lap !!!! Imagine this, she was only 3yo... 8 months ago I decided to talk to my mom about it and she told me that when she divorced, this uncle went to her house and said that if she had sex with him he would give her a house. Yesterday was my moms birthday and I called her, the call went south cause I complained she recently traveled with this uncle and is taking care of him (he is super old now) and she revealed the men in her family come from a long lineage of pedophiles, she also wanted me to share details of what I saw in the mushroom trip because she thinks its all my imagination. Im questioning myself and writing this sounds so ridiculous. Im in deep waters right now feeling a misture of disgust, shame, sadness, hatred, and I get into my pattern of eating sweets, how ironic.. (I usually eat very clean, this is a form of self destruct - self sooth). Ive been considering cutting ties with my whole family because its very toxic for me, Im writing this because I just want to know if anyone had a similar experience, or any opinion of a sane person would help, because Im really questioning my reality, what Ive seen etc. Ive suffered sexual abuse from an ex bf too that is the reason why I left Brazil 10 years ago. Ive done years of therapy, many psychedelic experiences, but this feeling of guilt, shame and disgust does not leave me, its like a darkness of those men that was passed down to me and I cant wash it of, I dont hate them, but I do turn the hatred towards myself, specially when in contact with my patriarchal family. I work with women and all that has happened to me became keys to my work, like a curriculum that I needed to go through so I could do my work better. Its all a piece of the big puzzle and Im nothing but a humble apprentice of this divine orchestrated puzzle but what the fuckkkk

I want, I want, I want.. is this really about me? I dont hate my uncle, you missed the whole point. Im talking about my own feelings and how I feel in my body, it has nothing to do with others or if it was right or wrong. But you just end up revealing yourself, and to be honest you havent helped a bit, so I suppose you might be of better service somewhere else.

@How to be wise now I understand why youve been around for almost a decade and is not a mod lol You lack compassion and self love, only a human being in deep suffering is capable of hurting a child, by thinking something is not wrong it doesnt make it any less wrong. You are lost in darkness my friend, Im sorry for your pain.

@How to be wise have you had sex with children?

@How to be wise It didn't hurt me, I just felt sorry for you. If you would show your face instead of hiding behind a spiritual guru maybe I would be more affected, but so far (in my perception of course) you are but another typical spiritual person who thinks that has evolved but instead never actually built an ego to be able to transcend it.

@Beans Im very sorry you went through that, I share your pain. Men will never know what we feel until they incarnate as a woman. The worst thing we can do is be silent, so I speak up. Its my medicine. My parents are the same, Im the only one calling. I think we already have our answers. To heal we need to be away from the place we got hurt.

@How to be wise thank God we have evolved and now it is indeed an aberration. Im sorry that you are at this place internally that you need to come here and comment this kind of thing, must be a very dark place to live.

@How to be wise Im sure Ram Dass would agree its evil

@integral thank you, I found Leo’s channel right when I moved to US. His content and the people in the forum helped me tremendously, I’ve met some in person as well, such a beautiful community. Very grateful for@Leo Gura Those are good questions, thank you. My paperwork just got approved to go to Brazil, so I think after 10 years, the thought of going back there is bringing this stuff to the surface. Because of your questions I also noticed a part of me wants my mom to see how irresponsible to leave me with my uncle alone and was, she did mention in the call that her and my dad were very naive, but there is a part of me that is mad. I guess I’m holding onto an old version of me, I think this whole situation was the universe giving me an opportunity to peel an old layer. I think the main thing I need to deal with and process now is the anger. I’m very upset about how my whole family is very blind to everything, part of me wishes that they would open their eyes and right now I’m not in a place of compassion for them, or for myself. Need to work on that

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lol I love this Forum, always a breath of fresh air

I recently I started coaching someone who uses ketamine daily, he is already getting treated professionally, we have had three sessions so far and part of me just wants to suspend the sessions as I see is out of my area of expertise, plus it has been a very challenging experience for me so far. I mostly work with women in group and one-on-one settings but recently many men are reaching out, after years of working with women I've noticed men are way too different, a whole new species lol different motivations, values etc. Women tend to be more vulnerable and open and it's easier to understand the root cause, the core of issue and their whys, now men.. they put so much effort in maintaining their image, they pretend to be someone else so most of the session is just me trying to see through the "fake image" to get to the core, any tips on working with men? I dont intend to change my focus, I do love working with women, but I would like to be of service to the men too. Thank you for reading!

I lived in California for 9 years and moved to Florida over a year ago, and it seems like the majority of people here are Trump supporters and Im finding myself in a difficult place when it comes to dating. Im a moderate and grew up conservative in Brazil, Im not super into politics, but I do know the basics and voting for Trump IMO is just a sign of low intelligence, Im no radical and I respect everyone, I do have friends who voted for Trump but I just avoid talking about politics with them, Ive also noticed that most people who like to talk about politics are the people who know the least and are very biased, the conversation is all about judging the opponent and defending their point of view, black and white thinking. I love Jonathan Haidt's content and all sources I can get about politics that can show me the big picture and/or an impartial view of the whole, so don't get me wrong thinking Im here to just pick/defend a side. This week I stopped talking to two guys because not only they are Trump supporter but they do believe he is making good moves that will benefit evryone/them, and in a way it will (they are success/money oriented which is very self serving), but it's a major turn off for me, and I want to know if Im being too extremist or radical? I actually tried dating them before and eventually we had a conflict of values that set us apart. Im generalizing but it seems to be two kinds of men out there right now, the toxic masculine Trump Supporter or the soy boy beta man too trapped in spirituality and no groundness in reality.

Im really into astrology and am curious about your signs I’m a Pisces the last sign, dreamer with the head in the clouds..

@Harikrishnan It's called Saturn return, it happens when you are 12yo, 24yo, 36yo.. If you read your chart you can know exactly the months that things will be shaken up lol mine is coming too, the last one at 24 it was when I moved to US. Astrology is very ancient, I used to be very skeptical but after seeing similarities in people of the same sign I started studying more deeply, it's fascinating.