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@carterfelder you haven’t read deeply because you know what you will find, part of you doesn’t want to deal with it. It’s like watching a commercial about the kids in Africa, with their bones glued to the skin because of starvation, but let’s skip this part and go back to watching our show, right? Let’s not look at it.

@carterfelder well if you went deep into studying humans, you’ve probably noticed that we are capable of really dark things. When dealing with men I try to think that they are guilty until proven wrong. After being raped and exposed to pedophiles growing up, I think it’s just something that you learn, you know? I understand you tho, it’s better to be in denial because then you don’t need to deal with it. It’s emotionally easier.

@Lyubov the energy is the same. What are you suggesting? That the current law be changed? To leave more space for more rape to happen? It took decades for women to have rights, and there is more ground to go, but you in your righteous mind think that your way is, somehow, the best way, because you are a man. It surprises me how men are unable to put themselves in other people’s shoes, and are also unable to see their self deception. At the same time t’s understandable because even as a woman I’m still peeling layers of patriarchy, for men I suppose it’s 100x more difficult. But see how I can step into men shoes? I know many men lack compassion, so I ask you to think that for one day you are a woman, with a man that you know and date. So one day he is angry because he got fired from work, and he tries to have sex with you because he needs to let go of his pain, he needs to distract himself, so he wants to use you, and you after feeling all the heavy energy, decided that it’s better not to do anything in that mindset, you don’t feel like having sex so you say no, but because he is bigger, more powerful, he decides that you don’t get to say no, that you are his possession, in the end you are just a woman, weaker than him and he needs someone just like that to process his feelings, and everyone knows that woman are less than men, so your partner gets to do whatever he wants to you without any guilt, because in the end you are not strangers, you have a relationship, so your partner who is bigger than you, forces himself onto you, you try to yell but he shuts your mouth, you didn’t want that, but he does it anyway, your whole body tenses up and you freeze in shock, while he keeps on going and enjoys a little fun with his little inanimate toy, and he puts all the load of his anger and darkness on you. Was it enjoyable for you? Do you still think the the law should be more flexible because in the end it was two people that knew each other? When you defend a man like that there are two things that come to my mind: you are the type of guy who would do something like that and part of you admires Russell, OR you are very ignorant about the capacity for ignorance and darkness of most men. I hope it’s the latest.

@carterfelder honey if you want to idolize and defend famous men after clear evidence of a crime, who am I to stop you? Men who idolize and are crazy about celebrities and politics are not my thing, they turn me off big time. But you seem to be all in, you do you boo 😊

@carterfelder charged means that the police or legal authorities have formally accused Russell Brand of committing rape, indecent assault, and sexual assault. Based on evidence of course.

@carterfelder “Russell Brand has been charged with rape, indecent assault and sexual assault between 1999 and 2005.” He has been charged with rape. This is not speculation.

@integral Thank you for that. Reading all those men defending Russell gives me nausea. Maybe one day they will incarnate as a woman cause so far they have shown zero capacity to grasp how women think, and what’s more sad: zero compassion. It surprises me that Leo can’t see the crowd he is creating with his hyper logical way of thinking. The men here can’t read between the lines because of the weight they put on logic, they can’t see the subtleties, the energies. Russell is an impulsive person and you can see that by studying his body language. The MAGA bubble he is in right now matches so much with his energy, he thrives in chaos. He can babble all the words he wants, his energetic level will give him away. He is not innocent, I wonder if those were the women who pressed charges, imagine the ones who didn’t. We are probably talking about more than 10 women, all for power..

A thread of men being overly emotional about women who are emotional

@Someone here yes we all need to relax. You go first I don’t see her roasting anyone, she has been extremely respectful and quite logical for a woman.

@Someone here rule #1 never tell a woman to relax lol

@Husseinisdoingfine This is so interesting “The opposite was found to be true. Women who reported being less repressed about sex were more likely to have rape fantasies, more open to fantasy in general, more likely to have consensual fantasies and finally, they were found more likely to have high self-esteem.” Not sure about rape tapes but most women have the desire to be dominated, specially if we are required to be masculine in society. We tend to find a lot of relief in letting go of control in bed.

@Leo Gura yes, both sides need to master feminine and masculine traits, being more logical is integrating the masculine. I’m suggesting that instead of treating us like we are children, maybe step up in your communication skills, learn about emotions, kids don’t have their frontal lobe fully developed to be able to put things together, but we of course do, not only that but we are highly intuitive, super connected to nature, we birth children into reality, we are a bit far from being children.. We are talking about the issue of men not being able to meet us emotionally and instead of addressing the issue, you fire back criticizing us as a defense mechanism, instead of talking about the thing itself. I agree with both sides, men and women need to put more effort into understanding and meeting the other where he/she is at. I also see many more women in workshops and retreats than men, curious what you think about that. IMO and from what I see is that there are more women working on themselves than men. Men tend to only work on themselves to pick up women, not for personal development purposes of knowing themselves and becoming more whole, take you for example, your awakening most likely started after you got involved with the pick up community.

Also it’s actually funny men saying that they need to talk to women like they talk to a child because I hear so many of my friends justifying their bfs bad behavior and speaking about them like they are children “but he is a good guy, he started telling me when he is uncomfortable, his communication is improving, he actually started talking more” like they are referring to 3yo that is learning the abc.

I think leo might be talking about the ability to communicate with women, not manipulate. If you pick spiral dynamics for example, the more evolved the stage, the better the communication. Countries that are red and blue fight whole wars because they don’t speak the same language and lack the understanding of the other. Men and women speak different languages, it’s the work of each individual to integrate the masculine and the feminine within himself/herself to become whole. The masculine men nowadays do not see value in emotions and feelings, and the feminine women usually can’t be logical. It’s the realm of the heart and the mind. This feminine communication is like a 6th sense, it’s subtle and gentle, intuitive. Men need to integrate those feminine traits to see their value. We women use more words daily, statistically speaking. Noticed how we put more effort in the wording here while men write very short paragraphs. We not only speak the language but because of childbearing we can read beyond the words, the body language and subtle energies. Men can develop that too, but that would require them to turn off their mind a little, connect to the body, to the heart. In the end it’s all a beautiful dance of duality, feminine and masculine trying to find equilibrium. Matt Kahn says that our life’s journey is to unite our brains right and left hemisphere, both sides need to put extreme effort into understanding the other, not only for developing a deeper connection to others but for self realization.

@BlessedLion definitely, I think a relationship should make your life easier and not more difficult but at the same time I think romantic relationships are one of the best mirrors to shape and see ourselves, so it’s quite challenging and requires effort like everything in life. We are in a fast food society, we have way too many options and we want things really fast, so most people run away from relationships because they don’t want to look at themselves and do all the work. I lived with a nun for 3 years, she always told me that meditating all day was easy, to go to the ashram and be there with the monks was easy. The difficult thing is out there, in society, dealing with people, that’s where the work is. It’s easier to love things, cats, dogs, cats and objects. It’s difficult to love people, to deal with them. Think that you are a man in an island, if you are all by yourself, would you care shaving your beard? Would you care having manners? Would you care how you look? We can only mold and recreate ourselves in relation to others, all relationships shape us, but romantic ones in specific are those mirrors that we hold very close to our face, where we can see all your imperfections, the deeper the relationship the more things are revealed. The loner life tends to be easier. When Michelangelo sculpted David, he said that the took out of the block of marble everything that wasn’t David, and a good partner will do the same thing to you, they will hold a vision of your best self, call you out on your bs, they can see your potential and the real you, they won’t accept any less. I think that is the reason most people decide to be alone, because in a way is too difficult. But in the bigger picture, God, the universe or whatever you call it, will place you in the relationships that you can grow the most, if you are not growing and expanding together, it’s not useful for the whole.

I think many men would be way far ahead in the god realization process if they got this part of their life down (having a partner) Leo himself posted something a while back on the blog or forum, I don’t remember, about trying to find a witchy girlfriend. This path is very solitary, we are not meant to be alone, whoever denies that is full of bs, denying creation is to deny the most powerful force in existence. There is so much deconstructing to be done before we can reach deeper levels of connection in romantic relationships, whatever math Leo did clearly didn’t work for himself, he thinks pushing men into pick up will help them get rid of their needs cause he sees romantic relationships as a primitive need and not something beautiful that will help you tremendously along the way, romantic love for him is just something to be overcome. Say whatever you want about Osho’s work, he could have been a pervert and a cult leader but he was one of the very few spiritual teachers that spoke openly about sex and relationships, to move towards it, not against, to dive into it and not to run away. What is a better way to realize god than to merge with another? The only way out is through it. But at the same time I agree with Leo, things can get real messy lol

I’ll leave this here "It is not the critic who counts; not the man who points out how the strong man stumbles, or where the doer of deeds could have done them better. The credit belongs to the man who is actually in the arena, whose face is marred by dust and sweat and blood; who strives valiantly; who errs, who comes short again and again, because there is no effort without error and shortcoming; but who does actually strive to do the deeds; who knows great enthusiasms, the great devotions; who spends himself in a worthy cause; who at the best knows in the end the triumph of high achievement, and who at the worst, if he fails, at least fails while daring greatly, so that his place shall never be with those cold and timid souls who neither know victory nor defeat."

@WikiRando The worst thing you can do to a human is put him in solitary confinement, that’s how people die. Find like minded people, it’s difficult but they are out there. Here in the forum there are many, or better than finding them, create a community. it’s true that the majority of people are low consciousness but this is another reason why you should put your work out there and help raise their consciousness. I started as an extrovert and now I’m an introvert so I have no issues talking to strangers or being myself freely (5meo showed me that other people don’t exist). I’m also in a loner phase and about to go back to where I used to live to be closer to friends, it’s depressing to be too much alone, on all levels, physically we need oxytocin, emotionally we need to feel supported, mentally we need to see that there are other thinkers like us so we don’t feel like an alien.. May you find the right people and have the courage to speak your truth to those who have ears to hear.

Leo!

@OBEler dude he is suicidal, we take psychedelics to enhance sober reality, not to run away from it. You need a good solid foundation to go far, if you are not stable in normal reality psychedelics will fuck you real bad. It shocks me that no one is talking about the pink elephant in the room. To ascend you need to descend into the body first, doing several doses of 5meo is not compassionate with the process of the body. The body is the one leading the way, our mind is already there. He will end up getting sick, which apparently is already happening otherwise he wouldn’t be in such a state of agony looking for a miracle in a substance. He would benefit most from a hug and a human support system than from hammering his ego with the most powerful substance known to man. It doesn’t take much to foresee where he is going towards. It doesn’t matter if he puts all the fluff in his words and describes it as enlightenment. What matters is how you treat yourself, the level of self love you have embodied, the compassion you have with your own process and your body’s process. Anything else is bs.

You are talking about 5meo like an evangelical talks about God. There is no God guiding you, the God is you and it’s time for radical self responsibility, you are driving full speed into a wall and even tho you are aware of it, you accelerate anyways. If you go into it with naivety and cockiness it will bite you in the ass, ego backlash for sure. It took me almost a year to recover and integrate fully from my 5meo trips, a fragile ego doesn’t think clearly, to transcend the ego, first you need a healthy one. A fragile ego is the most dangerous thing, it’s death territory, and you are very well aware of it, don’t fool yourself, your life is in your hands, don’t talk like a fanatic saying that there is a force guiding you, take 100% responsibility, your life is precious. There is no path to enlightenment without self compassion, it’s not very compassionate to smash your ego over and over and expect it to reach bliss in the blink of an eye. We all know it’s not a smart way to do enlightenment work. You keep saying that if you surrender it will all be ok, knowing very well that you created this thread because deep inside you know that is the way to self destruction, if it was really part of a flow you would have done it already. Listen to the intuition that made you create this thread and be cautious. Our ego is not evil, it’s just a less developed part of our soul, it deserves respect and it serves a purpose. Give yourself a break, give your body a break. Taking 5meo is like trying to pass 220 volts into a machine that only comports 110, eventually it will break. You must be wise and prepare your body for the load. It’s not a coincidence that monks sit in stillness for years to get to where 5meo takes you. Psychedelics are an amazing tool, but you need to be smart on how to use it. Slow is smooth and smooth is fast. Sending you love 💕

So a year ago my friend gave me some APEs he grew and said "Take those, I loved them, I was laughing for hours" I ended up taking around 2 grams and was in fetal position for hours, Ive had other crazy trips that Ive taken heroic doses before but this one in special revealed a sexual abuse from an uncle of mine. A little backstory, my uncle had a bar on the 1st story of my grandmas house, (this uncle is my grandmas brother) and of course he was an alcoholic, he lived with my grandma and aunts, typical latin family where everyone lives together, I was his favorite niece and would go to the bar all the time because he also sold candies there, and for some years my dad would never pay when I got things from there, I had a sweet tooth and it bothered him that I went there to get candies aall the time, to the point that my dad started paying for my stuff, the bar was full of drunk old men, I was very little, and I have 0 memories of my childhood cause my dad tried to kill my mom several times. I think in my littl mind the abuse was like an exchange for sweets, this makes me want to throw up.. Back to the mushroom trip, the mushroom showed me really ugly stuff, to the point that I had to vomit because my logical mind could not accept and process evryhing, I was disgusted, everything started making sense, but its all blurry too, the trip was very dark and messy, I called my sister to vent and we started putting things together, and it all made sense, a month after this trip a cousin of mine committed suicide, this cousin was abused by this same uncle when she was 3yo, everyone ignored her mom at the time, cause she is a distant cousin, everything was put under the rug. The timing of everything was crazy, the trip, the suicide. She died without knowing the abuse, her mom never told her, I remember my grandma saying at the time that it was her fault because she would seat on my uncles lap !!!! Imagine this, she was only 3yo... 8 months ago I decided to talk to my mom about it and she told me that when she divorced, this uncle went to her house and said that if she had sex with him he would give her a house. Yesterday was my moms birthday and I called her, the call went south cause I complained she recently traveled with this uncle and is taking care of him (he is super old now) and she revealed the men in her family come from a long lineage of pedophiles, she also wanted me to share details of what I saw in the mushroom trip because she thinks its all my imagination. Im questioning myself and writing this sounds so ridiculous. Im in deep waters right now feeling a misture of disgust, shame, sadness, hatred, and I get into my pattern of eating sweets, how ironic.. (I usually eat very clean, this is a form of self destruct - self sooth). Ive been considering cutting ties with my whole family because its very toxic for me, Im writing this because I just want to know if anyone had a similar experience, or any opinion of a sane person would help, because Im really questioning my reality, what Ive seen etc. Ive suffered sexual abuse from an ex bf too that is the reason why I left Brazil 10 years ago. Ive done years of therapy, many psychedelic experiences, but this feeling of guilt, shame and disgust does not leave me, its like a darkness of those men that was passed down to me and I cant wash it of, I dont hate them, but I do turn the hatred towards myself, specially when in contact with my patriarchal family. I work with women and all that has happened to me became keys to my work, like a curriculum that I needed to go through so I could do my work better. Its all a piece of the big puzzle and Im nothing but a humble apprentice of this divine orchestrated puzzle but what the fuckkkk

I want, I want, I want.. is this really about me? I dont hate my uncle, you missed the whole point. Im talking about my own feelings and how I feel in my body, it has nothing to do with others or if it was right or wrong. But you just end up revealing yourself, and to be honest you havent helped a bit, so I suppose you might be of better service somewhere else.

@How to be wise now I understand why youve been around for almost a decade and is not a mod lol You lack compassion and self love, only a human being in deep suffering is capable of hurting a child, by thinking something is not wrong it doesnt make it any less wrong. You are lost in darkness my friend, Im sorry for your pain.