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@mandyjw Your values are influenced by your country. Yet, the meaning can change easily when you actually question what you value or one goes with it and is another sheep in the herd, instead of building one's own farm. Abusing systems will come back at the end. It's way more intelligent to build systems that leverage your success and provide value, instead of abusing systems and stealing value. Or to increase a certain skill like crafting etc., you can't survive in cold climate stealing firewood from the family. Chopping wood and getting water, would be one way to survive outside in the cold and would be a "system" of supply at one's disposal. Then you could go for a hunt. No value is worthless, it depends on how you express it and what you want to provide in the first place. Context is important. Humans have values. Values are concepts. Human create concepts. Language creates duality. You could look at the Sapih Worf Hypothesis. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Linguistic_relativity When I looked into American history a bit I was surprised that the Republicans were the ones who fought against racism and the Democrats were in the south continuing it. Also, the people from my region and a total of 4-5 million people went to America ( Pennsylvania) because of political differences, scarcity of food, horrible economic conditions and more. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/German_Americans 1 third of American people have German ancestors value are based on human differences. Where the big 5 model explains more which is scientifically validated how humans express their behavior. I think wisdom is something completely different or special whatever cultural concept that might be?

@Eric Tarpall He would be rather low since his state would not be consistent. Of course, the situation matters if a person cures diseases and hurts others it would depend on how he hurts them and what his intentions are. He technically has no right to rape her going by the law or even by moral conscience. Why do you ask the question out of curiosity? If he would be high in consciousness he can totally renounce sex drives, monks even say that the sex drive is easier to conquer than the need for socializing, which is a necessity. Residing in that place is different.

@Aeris No, I just have a hard time figuring out if you are being sarcastic or not. I worked together with a French person for half a year funny times, very sarcastic Parisian guy. The zen dojo where I did retreats is also in France. So, no it does not answer my question.

@Aeris I never know if u are trolling or just u. But fine whatever.

@Aeris Do you even meditate? Hitler was the non-dual master of the cosmos. Creating wormholes to transport troops to other planets.

@CreamCat, In the end, I like the perspective of zen anything that falls in line with disturbing ones practice is considered a devil. Take the omnipotence paradox. Or reading about intelligent design could answer your question. That is what I was shooting for in LSD trips. Without a devil, there would be no god. All of this talk is a distraction and intellectual entertainment, yet insights still constitute advantages in day to day practice. That is why I am even writing, without knowing one's own agenda, you can never know your opponents and be abused if we look at them from a power perspective.

@now is forever What is meant with icd10. I know what it is yet, what is meant? Are you being sarcastic? A little anomie or fewer rules would be nice yes. Yet, it is horrible we would basically have a group of power-hungry people wanting to rule. In a society where there are no means to self-actualize anomie will happen and people will revolt if the regime does not suppress it. If there is only stagnation what can be done, besides strolling around doing dumb stuff. See Emanuel Dürkheim or how is name is written, showing how it happened in England through people not adhering to the cultural standards the church imposed, the less these values where available the more society succumbed. Now, contrast it with this https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Inglehart–Welzel_cultural_map_of_the_world http://www.worldvaluessurvey.org/WVSContents.jsp?CMSID=Findings When there are no concrete rules or values inside a country that are being expressed, it is doomed to die. The point I want to make is that values dictate the development of a country, I love Germany for instance, yet sometimes they are very rigid making it impossible as a German who grew up as a German with German family solely, to understand German culture, even if I speak and embody it perfectly. It's like you constantly break the cultural norms, without even trying. Simply because you look different since I am half Afro-American and see how dogmatic their ethnocentrism is, while other folks have their own ethnocentrism. It's like you are constantly floating in a grey area, speaking each cultural code. Questioning your own norms, you see how religion formed a society since you are basically a devil not fitting within the "white" paradigm. Contrast this in America where black kids get made fun of in the "ghetto" for talking white coming back from school. Value codes like spiral dynamics make much more sense or the map above, it's like you are reading a script depicting how human behavior is driven by their values, etc. As if privileges aren't real. For instance, green germans who grew up solely with German parents are freaking awesome, very vulnerable and emotional from a middle class. I swear to god, I can cry and do how nice these people are regardless of class. Yet, stage orange is just freaking retarded, I still feel socially and psychologically disparaged by stage orange beings, having to adjust to their value code, healthy versions are fair and competitive, see soccer. So, it's fair you don't hurt your teammates and you want to win. Stage orange just puts you down, while many Germans just abuse their advantage of being the dominant folk inside their country. Which is their right, and then complain that they when they are accused of colorblind racism, seeing everyone as equal, when they are not. Quote: Researchers also offer alternatives to the color-blindness discourse. Reason and Evans call for people to become "racially cognizant", that is they need to acknowledge the role that race plays in their everyday lives. Being racially cognizant also demands a continuous examination and reinterpretation of race and how it affects our lives. It is also important to balance looking at a person as an individual and acknowledging the role their membership to a social group plays in their daily lives.[22] Researcher Jennifer Simpson proposed that "in setting aside color blindness, Whites must learn to see, accept, and experience their lives as raced and to explore the possibility that some of the good, ease, or rewards they have experienced have not been solely the result of hard work and just effort but of a system biased in their favor." This conscious exploration of whiteness as a racial and social identity and the acknowledgment of the role of whiteness is connected to modern whiteness studies.[26] However, the field of whiteness studies has been criticized for its focus on reprimanding the white population, whereas similar fields such as Black studies, Women's studies, and Chicano Studies celebrate the contributions of the eponymous group.[27] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Color_blindness_(race) For instance one of my older friends we went to a restaurant, he is becoming a doctor and is Vietnamese the waitress hugged him and just touched him and "cutified" him making him a diminutive and treating him as a child or a puppy, which can be fun with friends. Or women treating me even worse, since I am half-black, people asking me if I sell drugs, my doctor (female) not assuming that a black person can study, assuming that I am some playboy male exotic prostitute, leave me dumbstruck. Like what now? Sex? No No No my Name is Jeff. Like you treat it with humor. Yet, it is sad, movements like feminism or feminists I meet are much easier to deal with then some stage orange princess. You feel human, not objectified. So, self-expression values could be a bit more embraced by conservative parties. While all of my black friends are studying and did study. Besides a couple. It's just stupid. THE POINT IS FOR ME MOST WHITES DO NOT UNDERSTAND HOW INSPIRING IT IS TO SEE ANOTHER BLACK MEN FOR ME STRIVE, IT IS INSANE IT MAKES ME HAPPY THAT PEOPLE HUMANS ARE FREE WHICH 99% OF PEOPLE DO NOT; YET I COULD CRY WHEN I SEE THE GERMAN WALL FALL AND PEOPLE UNITE. IT IS LIKE YOU ARE ALL ALONE MOST GERMANS HAVE GERMAN FRIENDS THAT I MEET. OTHERS CULTURES ARE BEHAVING LIKE SHIT. WHILE COUNTRIES ARE OPENING DOORS YET PEOPLE WANT TO LIVE AND SURVIVE. IN THE END, IT'S JUST EGO AND I AM A MAMMAL. LIKE READING FRANCE DE WALL explains human behavior mating behavior etc better than most things I've read or seen. It's very ignorant that these topics are not discussed with a plethora of refugees and people from other countries. Especially with a legit model. Yet, for instance, there is this very famous cohort study showing when people working for a common goal, they overcome differences. Like what happened in 9/11 etc and people united. The value codes have to change. Same with talking to half and half friends from other ethnicities. You feel very special and different, a lot of people even get jealous which is sometimes unfathomable. One good friend of mine mentioned that it will basically take 100 years or so to decrease this since people will ultimately mix when the globe unites. Making people look more similar. I often think to think about race, color, gender, etc. Is a waste of cognitive resources when there is no need to consider them and I am very good at that. A more secular and self-expressive value system would be nice, so anomie would be counteracted be more self-expression and traditionalists could even express theirs. Anyway now I ranted for a way too long. I am a bit tired of this standpoint. Talking with girls my age it's either feminism, food, gender, equality, emotional problems or it is ted talks, novels, and tv Netflix. Multiculturalism is just taboo they feel devalued and criticized and guilt is induced or it is talked about in relativistic terms. It's very rare I meet one person who I can talk with it about it more systemically, otherwise, people still revolt because they want self-expression. Which is even quite high considering the map above + freedom of the press in Germany is rated high ( see sprial dynamics in action book). I would love to see entrepreneurship being more expressed in Germany in more green and not stage orange freedom terms, most people don't even care about politics and just complain and want holidays, holidays, food and sex. It's just very lame. I can't even join a political party in this small town since the infrastructure is bad and 3 people are interested in the student council in politics. So, I thought the effort is not worth it when I explain concepts like spiral dynamics or systemic racism and oppression. People fall on deaf ears social justice warriors are just boring to talk to I'd rather talk to artists.

@universe Thanks for sharing. I will test the Sedona method potentially in October. I see the visualizations are working but slowly since it is a loving-kindness technique, not a pure visualization imo. Yet, I generate a lot more positivity from the place I feel pain from. So, I understand what releasing emotions mean sort of. My body reacts strongly to that I always get goosebumps when meditating and feeling a strong experience like now even writing about it lol.

How effective is visualization or deliberate visualization about one's vision for a long period of time? Did anyone try longer than 90 days of the recommended visualization from Leo's lp? I first had a couple of 30 days, 60 days and then one 90 day streak and another afterward approx. 90 days+- . Yet, I also did this with the how to be funny video from Leo and it helped a lot. I've become more funny, even if I rarely do it. Is it wise to practice a 10 min visualization about ones lp? @Leo Gura I am doing a loving-kindness practice from shinzen which involves visualizing. Yet, I struggled with success with visualization and it is difficult to quantify my progress. I always imagine abstracts or notion of things, even if my imagination is vivid in this area. It's like I am sucked inside my skull with a transparent colorless movie running inside my skull. It never feels real but is affecting me. Any advice for ways to visualize? I know from mico-retreats some stuff which I did wrong.

@Elisabeth A report would be awesome! I am a bit scared of getting 5meo dmt since it is illegal, so I was hoping to go to some ceremony in another country. Are there many ceremonies in Czech?

@Joseph Maynor Thank you for sharing. This helps to think about coral. Teal is off hands for me currently, and turquoise my next goal. I see more that the universe is currently some sort of holographic pattern, repeating itself. So, I am going to read on turquoise. Especially if it leverages LP. As you described a bit. From what I can make out coral seems to be that it is a 1-2-3 awareness of god. You are god awareness, I am god awareness, we are god awareness. Completely disregarding the ego, as a central processing unit and seeing it as a place forgotten of the True Self. With a capital T. The insight about absolute infinity being the veil of Maya. To make a reference to a band. Is conceivable, I think during my last trip I went into this infinity veil absorbing questions from infinity itself by asking. That is now almost one year ago, so I am basically preparing myself to have an immense trip. Yet, working on lower stages makes more sense for my current pragmatic live situation. Lifting weights increase stages because it sets the body alert to growing, cells, fibers, etc.. According to Wilber, in case this has been forgotten. So, I am doing that with body-focused exercises.

It's anomie, not anarchy. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anomie Anarchy is a legit system that was applied in Spain in the 1930's during their civil war and is governed by the overall consense of people wanting to get rid of their monarchy and let people rule. They even traded crops for heavy farm vehicles without the use of money and completely abolished money. It is a system ruled by the overall consensus of people wanting basically to give power to the people and especially production goods are owned by the people and supplied by demand. It's been some time since I've read the book, but Joseph pier Proudhon was my homie. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anarcho-syndicalism https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anarchism_in_Spain Anarcho-syndicalism is the correct term for what happened in Spain.

@CreamCat Why do you say that? The devil was a fallen angel, a neutral being that responded to request of the living in exchange for something.

@CreamCat https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sisyphus A guy in hell having to roll up a stone a hill each day as his task to be free for the day. From Greek mythology.

@Joseph Maynor Holy post of posts.

@CreamCat Thank you for the compliment. I resonated with the topic a lot for some reason. I like the Avengers and the superhero hype + north mythology! I would recommend that you purchase Leo's booklist, especially if you are into science all of the topics there I will most likely catch up in the future or in a given time to some degree. Since I assume from responding that you like science a lot. A lot of PD seems basic, yet somehow it is a Sisyphus task. Or a pleasant version of it. The only thing that I am consistent in is reflection and meditation, which helps a lot. Now, gym and nutrition more which aids discipline, especially with meditation in the morning. Having a daily pratice is key, a meditation retreat is the best practical solution. If you like the theoretical aspect I would recommend listening to shinzen young, so you won't most likely not get bored. P.S Yes you are god. In training... with reference...

@theking00 You can test techniques in case you are open and still testing. Otherwise, if you like self-inquiry you could buy a book or watch the neti-neti video from Leo in case it is that. I only tested self-inquiry for two or 1 and a half months. It was too much in the current situation and I switched techniques. Yet, it was extremely powerful. I was stuck in analysis constantly. How long do you do self-inquiry? I did it for an hour and the meditation sessions themselves where quite pleasant. Yet, I tried to maintain it daily, which just hindered a clear thought process.

http://www.perspegrity.com/papers/STAGES background_Murray.pdf This is pretty much everything that is known by research. Most reading the about the pre/trans fallacy can help. Spiral dynamics is only one part, focused on values. I could value bioengineering and become an a.i driven human, yet it won't matter if I am not actually one or working on something like this. This is stage purple magical thinking in la la land. Speculating is fine, the article was nice to read, but the map is not the territory. ... the finger that points to the moon is not the moon.

@Inliytened1 The point about coral is it would be third tier, so it would be another giant leap. I know there are different spectrums I took a test a while ago which helped to clear my political stance since we do not have a bicameral system in Germany. It's a cool test a lot of people that I know complain about America and are confused that they do not have a liberal party. So, potentially this expands the whole viewpoint. https://www.politicalcompass.org/test. Yellow would be more lenient about his or hers choice of a party imo, since they want something that works. So, there would not be a rigid structure to staying within the influence and reach of one specific party. As a voter. So, it could potentially be more left or even more conservative depending on the situation at hand and information at disposal. Turquoise would be more spiritual tackling macro problems with macro management for a common good, yet that is not possible IMO without a unified globe, that is as bad as Donald Trump jumping out of the transatlantic protocol, in a predominately orange world in the west and advanced east. (Call me racist) Not sure if he left the nato? Coral is third tier, from what I've read. So, no idea in the book from don beck it says things are addressed on a planetary level. So, there is no left and right, really more a whole that needs to be addressed. See the political compass and it's four quadrants.

@CreamCat That is exactly the point to integrate it all. It sounds nuts, and sort of is. Like question sanity on an LSD trip. Just imagine the following scenario you sit somewhere on a bridge in 400 ad or so correct me if I am wrong. And you just sit and meditate, no sense of self-actualization etc. You are basically useless to society, people would potentially rob you and steal money from you, kill you if they are some delinquents. How nuts do you actually have to be to sit there ones whole life and do nothing? Yet, it could radically change ones live if applied strategically. Like, see any study. In that form itself, meditation is a self-actualization practice. I watched the videos about Jim Qwik and liked them a lot and want to get my brainberries, which they did not have today. Yes, a lot of people lack stage orange aspects, I lack for instance a lot of stage blue. With discipline and truth, hard work and discipline so I watched a lot of JP and took the big 5 and watched his lessons and opinions on the model since he knows the literature. Today we had a guest talk at out uni from a dr dr in medicine and psychology, a very hard-nosed guy a 5-star talker which is apparently very rare, solely came today through connections. Tbh I liked his talk a lot how the use of smartphones etc. influence grades, brain growth and he showed solid studies. Within an "academic" ( I am making a bit fun of my uni) audience. Still, this was a for me very high-green talk value wise. Very egalitarian, no drive for using excellence while being aware, not using the linguistic toolbox for instance. Yet, destroyed every freaking question since he was extremely knowledgeable about statistics, medicine etc. For instance, there were teachers in the audience complaining that Germany spends 5 billion on digital whiteboards, and the classes and kids complained as the teachers that they want the blackboard. He mentioned a study of people in silicon valley from universities there in cs, that they preferred blackboards, while they have to work with computers. So, it was a hefty investment into digitalization, which is even harmful, for the development of the brain and did not pay out. Now the point about knowledge for me after contemplating on LSD mostly, so take this with a gigantic grain of salt is. It is way harder to let go of it, then to attach to it or gain more, if you want to follow a spiritual path. Knowledge is survival, and yes proper or applicable knowledge is meant. Otherwise, it's mostly trivia. Yet, I understood how this mechanism worked on LSD way better, since it is just nuts to let go of it. The same as doing nothing the whole time. So, if I want to contribute to humanity in some way I also need orange advice and knowledge for survival and contribution. What I don' get that if you understand this so perfectly you can see with which members to interact and not. I would not even bother to discuss and mention it, because most people resist change anyway. So, yes working on myself to raise others consciousness, for example, is better than claiming omg I reached stage xyz and become and enlightened guru I will raise peoples consciousness. Sam Harris audiobook or book Waking Up as a beautiful example from a retreat in Tibet. With a person claiming she Never has One thought again and was enlightened. Then he debunked her.. in the plane making her or him realize it again. The person was shocked. I don't embody most of the things some are just way to advanced like ... http://www.perspegrity.com/papers/STAGES background_Murray.pdf ( which I just found and explains the research behind self-identity and so on), yet chopping away at it diligently helps and also improves life quality. So, I really don't understand there is not much to complain about or why mentioned it, I sure do to, but mostly with people in real life and then I talk about it with friends. Online it's just worthless.

@CreamCat I don't know what exactly self-actualization contains without making up a definition. I listened to the .... original audiobook from Maslow sometime ago and the pyramid is explained everywhere. The point is with... spiral dynamics at stage yellow it is a different kind of political anger, it is more of intense indignation about the political situation(which is more impersonal it's not an anger which involves ones idea of one self for instance imo), values etc. It's not a psychological rant to reduce stress by cursing. The whole point about devilry is that that a devil in zen is everything that stands in your practice so theoretically, everything is a devil. My homework assignments, my schedule, my family, my cat, social media, internet, ted talks etc. Yet, it is also practice in a sense that if ones want ultimately to become the ... ultimate atman, brahman or god then it has to be in daily life and every second to some degree, otherwise it's fragmented. No way, that is going to happen. That is why I disliked church I grew up agnostic/Catholic. Then I read in a book that going to a church or religious event let's say increase serotonin and oxytocin, so bla bla you feel more bonded to others. Singing in a group and doing group activities. No, it's not self-actualization in the sense of becoming a greater version of one's self. Personal growth, fulfillment, success, happiness, health, wealth, inner freedom, luxury w/e. The point I want to make is, that I would not understand what you would regard as proper knowledge for self-actualization. Yet, I am highly curious. Because I've been listening to mostly advanced teachings and have to get the fundamentals in place, in order to grow more. What I've been doing or started doing only this year more. For instance financial situation, yet there are just things I can't do poop about, so I want to work on other parts.