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That was a short answer on Davinos question. And it sounds like Leo gura is talking. It seems you are paraphrasing him again Being self honest is on of the most important things in life to learn. Maybe you cannot be honest with us here for whatever reason, or even believe your own talking. I just want to tell you, that being dishonest with yourself won't help you in the long term.

Update: she got a new start from her recent 5 Meo trip, became new motivation but panic still kicks in these days. She did not do 5 Meo again but what helped was TM meditation on YouTube, this reduced her stress level up to 50‰ Still depressed

What you call delusional here are higher states of consciousness you never accessed. And with psychedelics it's also all about transformation. Yes psychedelics can make you delusional sometimes. However you cannot get deluded so strong with yoga as with psychedelics because yoga is weaker for most people. Weaker methods have weaker potential for delusions. If you don't want delusions, try 5 Meo DMT or 5 Meo malt. It's the purest one.

I just can recommend you to try psychedelics to tap into real spiritualism. Sadgurus teaching is a watered down safe low consciousness teaching for the masses of sheeps to handle basic survival. With one psychedelic trip you will go deeper than 1000 hours of yoga sessions (it's true, I talked with many these people about their experiences). That does not mean that yoga is weak. It's just that very few can reach the full potential of yoga and when I read your posts I get the feeling that you are not counted to the very few.

@Inliytened1 can you tell more? How did you realized that? So a single consciousness is holding me and you in it's consciousness and we talk to each other but the truth is this conversation is hold also in this one single scizophrenic consciousness?

Yeah she is unusual. She read the description of the effects on 100 micro LSD to normal people and was laughing. She told me, that's about her normal state of consciousness. So she is tripping all the time her whole life - which comes with positive and negative consequences.

@Breakingthewall that sounds good, just redosing or getting dose under 1 mg is probably a bit difficult with this. My girlfriend took 5 Meo yesterday. I want to share the results of the experiment. Situation: My girlfriend could not go out for a week because of stomach problems and as a result from that having a deep depression not to do anything. She has daily panic attacks and sleeps very late. Trip:Now in the middle of a beginning panic attack she vaped 5 Meo. Just one hit she said. She took it and was fine. Then she took another and another and then one strong one. She lied on the floor, completely symmetrical like a star and then did weird symmetrical body movements exactly like Martin ball always describes it (yoga poses but weird). Then her movements stop and fear went to the roof , her face pressed together, tongue out of her mouth. She told me later this was almost over her limit and she wanted to scream out of fear because this cosmic energy which she received was too powerful and she tried to accept this universal force but she could not. Only focusing on her breath prevented her in this situation from screaming out loud. Something she learned from countless rollercoaster rides while high on LSD. After the trip she wrote down on a letter in big words: have big acceptance. Acceptance (especially to herself) is the key to everything. Because she always hated herself and the whole situation if her stomach issues force her to lie in bed all day and then she can't do anything productive. This gave her always extra mental baggage which leads to depression, panic attacks and burn out. Result: Next day she could leave the house again without problem. She is not healed completely she said but it was a big step to get out of this cycle of depression. She got many insights out of the trip, many she don't want to talk about. Overall It's not what I expected. It should be just a tiny microdose but she was in for a full trip. It got her out of her panic attack in the end but she experienced great fear also during the trip because of this universal force entering her body, which she managed very well. More experiments will follow if her panic attacks should start again, but maybe it should be not a full 5 Meo breakthrough trip.

When I read your posts I always get the feeling like you don't know what you are talking about - at all. Like a business man tries to talk with software developers about their technical problems. You are using deep words but there is no depth or understanding in these sentences. Just a superficial repeat from what you heared from Leo gura or read in a book somewhere. I would say, go get some real experience.

Ah I recognized you speak about Germany. In Germany you can do a lot. Working for example. People are directly expressing their feelings.It can sometimes be seen as unfriendly but it's just authenticity and direct talking. We don't like artificial and manipulative behavior. If you suck we will let you know that you suck. If you are good, you will get compliments. On bigger companies in office jobs however it's less direct and more inauthentic and manipulative.

You wrote here the same feeling I also have in terms of 5 Meo DMT. This is exactly how I have built resistance to do a breakthrough 5 Meo. The unexpected intensity and the potential repercussions on my loved ones...well written.

What do you mean by that and is that your root fear, that you don't want to discover again this same insight again?

You were not completely out of body but it's a start.

@Vignan I plugged 50 mg one time and had almost zero effects so go full 75 mg

What do you think about this new technology? Will you buy it for this price? Do you see practical usage for self development/improvement with this device?

With the peak on MDMA you will be ready.100%

@Breakingthewall Nice! looks like a cocktail. But vaping is healthier. it's not smoke because it does not combust.

@Breakingthewall that's exactly how I also think about it. how did you use it? With a vape pen? I get this artificial feeling on a vape pen with additionaly slightly mild headaches if I vape casually here and there during the day (just very mild doses on 1:12 cartridge)

You talk like my girlfriend is a beginner. She had already over 100 trips on many substances and managed them all well. I already told she is experienced. 5 Meo is not a dissociative substance. and again I talk about microdosing. Having a microdose on ultra substance is still a microdose. So effects are very weak and not ultra.

Sorry your comment makes no sense. 5 Meo and weed or shrooms are completely different categories. Don't ever compare them.If she gets panic attacks from weed you cannot conclude that you get this with 5 Meo microdose. She is experienced in taking 5 Meo by the way. And I don't want to find out what substance gives her panic attack (from 10 different substances on normal doses none so far). It's the opposite, I want to know which substance can stop panic attacks.

That's also my experience with these sadghuru followers. They rationalize not taking them by saying "going the natural way is safer", which is not true at all and the results are weak. They should be honest to themselves that most of them are weak and close minded ignorant sheeps of sadghuru who are just afraid of doing real spirituality. Doing yoga exercises are effective only for these few who have the genetics. But if these would do psychedelics too they would even more progress. It's wasted talent to just do yoga.

It's not me but my girlfriend. Other roa works perfect but vaping has advantage that you immediately can take it, you get immediately the effects and you have perfect dose control and it acts very short.

I am looking forward to read! Thank you

@Leo Gura it's my girlfriend.She very rarely had panic attacks on psychedelics (only on ego losses) and managed them well. These were not full blown panic attacks like when she is sober and on psychedelics they are just very short. Her sober panic attacks can be very heavy and last long. It's clearly a different kind of panic

@Ishanga No He doesnt Claim that. Where does he write such things? I think you have some phantasy about enlightened people. Even if you are high conscious you can suffer like every human from stress or whatever. Yes high conscious people will probably not suffer from lower consciousness issues like obese and addiction. But they will not be immune against all kind of things like cancer, pollution of environment or if the body lacks energy.

It may be easier on a certain level but if you look closely many YouTubeer quit completely because of burnout, even if their channel works great. It's constant pressure 24/7. Maybe you can handle that better whatever you do. Are you at least a public figure? To topic: it would be interesting to hear from long term users of psychedelics if they noticed any changes in a bad way.