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Yeah for close minded people. Here are some cases where it worked: https://www.reddit.com/r/LSD/s/fjPNsFhW0l "I'm losing my mind right now. Because I have been ranting to all my friends about how on multiple occasions i've been diagnosed with the flu then dropped acid and been completely healed the next day. I'm currently sick with covid and i'm wondering if it would be the same." "I've actually experienced something similar! My brother aswell, maby there is something in it? I've dropped with a flu before, and I felt muuuch better the day after" "So my bad symptoms from covid all stopped the day after tripping. Including the random on going fevers, my fiance and I were pretty shocked. As if I did a complete 180"

That's the path of a pioneer. Update: I am already fine after sleeping whole day on 1000 micro vitamin C. So it was a fast recovery

@Phil King I took already 1000 micro vitamin C.

Just want to share another experiment. I was high on 75 micro 1 d lsd and was sitting in a musical show. The music was so enjoyable through LSD, I felt perfectly fine. Immediately my mind crossed if it can be even better so I discreetly vaped 5 Meo. After some hits I recognized that the focus went away from the outside (the show) to the inside. This is typical for 5 Meo. My heart was beating faster and I felt uncomfortable for a moment. So I stopped doing that. After some seconds the effects vanished and after the effects were over 5 Meo did not add anything to this show. So overall I think it's not good to mix LSD with 5 Meo together.5 Meo gave me the message not to play with it like this. Because there are then two different energys at play and 5 Meo energy always wins so there is no synergy.

Disclaimer; I don't recommend anybody to do 5 Meo for recreational things. I am doing that because I need to explore this substance on my way and I already have tons of experience with psychedelics so I am not a beginner. I vaped 5 Meo with a vape pen multiple times a week for microdosing in public spaces( theme park, cinema, concerts) and other activities (yoga etc) to test the enhanced effects. for recreational aspects it was not really suitable. Sure I had sometimes more focus and had maybe a little more immersion but it really did not differ from my sober experience after the effects went off after minute. Maybe I smoked not enough.I smoked 2 to 3 seconds with a 1:12 cartridge. Pauses between were around 3 to 5 minutes. It was never uncomfortable or fearful. But what I felt was like a mild headache started to appear after some vaping. Do you have also these effects and what's the cause/how to prevent this?

@Giulio Bevilacqua Yes, it's deep rooted trauma. She plans to do the self love course from Teal swan.

Could small doses of 5 Meo DMT stop ae panic attack?Just a thought experiment what would happen. I know it sounds paradox because 5 Meo can produce heavy panic attacks. But 5 Meo has a different characteristic in very small doses like 0.3 mg. My feeling suggests 5 Meo could be definitely a tool for that because it reduces thoughts and thoughts are linked to fear. One forum member here says it reduces sleep problems in small doses for the same reason. What do you think about that. I know it's new area here and not secure. So disclaimer no one should do that.

@Leo Gura there would be not a trip report from the tripper but friends/tripsitters would know and some of them would write about it.If you plan to take a strong dose you will inform others normally (your partner at least) so such a case would not be unnoticed. I read also that people died from 5 Meo after their first time due to allergic reaction. But I think this topic starter has a different kind of question. Like you go spiritually so deep you never come back. Having an allergic reaction or suddenly hitting your head on a table because you lost balance is always possible on any substance and I think it is out of question that people will die in such a way.

I think those who want to try out weed already have tried out. Therefore I think the effect will be not noticable at all. But If doctors begin to abuse this medicine and recommend many people to try it out there could be a problem. But even that is not possible in Germany because corruption is low.such things as oxycontine epidemic are never possible thanks to the strict laws. Overall nothing changes.

I have read over 1000 trip reports. If someone would never come back I would have read somewhere. I don't think it's possible. Only if you are already in some kind of very dement state maybe like coma.

Very good explanation of solipsism. I had these insights on many trips but you put it in good words

Yes, Martin Ball did always 3 rounds.But I remember the second and third dose was less.

I know you are constantly quoting sadghuru but it would be better for other readers that you quote him. That makes these words not more truthful but I think it's still better to know the source of your knowledge. He has deep knowledge for sure

I would then prefer to be the unhappy idiot with the mushroom experience rather than a brave yoga slave who is totally lost in hippy spiritualism. Because at least you know the real deal. That saves you a lot of time and waste of energy.

Yeah you had an awakening out of nowhere, of course it was so deep you cannot talk about it. You reached even new levels of awakening, leo gura himself would be proud of you. And you don't want to answer any valid questions about your "awakening" because you don't want to prove to anyone, sure. Jokes aside, if you really had an awakening you would not talking around the bush. We would recognize on your writing style and your answers to our questions, if you really get it or are just paraphrasing Leo gura or any spiritual book you read. I don't want to dragging you down but I am quite long in this forum and reading some of your threads about advanced topics seems off to me for the reasons I already talked about and I am not the only one who sees through you. But I don't want to stop your motivation. You have some good interests in deep questions and contemplating is a good method. I just want to say it goes way deeper than brainwashing yourself with spiritual content and then see the world through your new brainwashed lenses, thinking that this self made worldview or even psychosis is some kind of new awakening.

It's all about dosing. 5 Meo has great healing potential on low doses and is not so strong on this level. You can always decide how strong you want it with a vape pen. Full dose control.

That was a short answer on Davinos question. And it sounds like Leo gura is talking. It seems you are paraphrasing him again Being self honest is on of the most important things in life to learn. Maybe you cannot be honest with us here for whatever reason, or even believe your own talking. I just want to tell you, that being dishonest with yourself won't help you in the long term.

Update: she got a new start from her recent 5 Meo trip, became new motivation but panic still kicks in these days. She did not do 5 Meo again but what helped was TM meditation on YouTube, this reduced her stress level up to 50‰ Still depressed

What you call delusional here are higher states of consciousness you never accessed. And with psychedelics it's also all about transformation. Yes psychedelics can make you delusional sometimes. However you cannot get deluded so strong with yoga as with psychedelics because yoga is weaker for most people. Weaker methods have weaker potential for delusions. If you don't want delusions, try 5 Meo DMT or 5 Meo malt. It's the purest one.

I just can recommend you to try psychedelics to tap into real spiritualism. Sadgurus teaching is a watered down safe low consciousness teaching for the masses of sheeps to handle basic survival. With one psychedelic trip you will go deeper than 1000 hours of yoga sessions (it's true, I talked with many these people about their experiences). That does not mean that yoga is weak. It's just that very few can reach the full potential of yoga and when I read your posts I get the feeling that you are not counted to the very few.

@Inliytened1 can you tell more? How did you realized that? So a single consciousness is holding me and you in it's consciousness and we talk to each other but the truth is this conversation is hold also in this one single scizophrenic consciousness?

Yeah she is unusual. She read the description of the effects on 100 micro LSD to normal people and was laughing. She told me, that's about her normal state of consciousness. So she is tripping all the time her whole life - which comes with positive and negative consequences.

@Breakingthewall that sounds good, just redosing or getting dose under 1 mg is probably a bit difficult with this. My girlfriend took 5 Meo yesterday. I want to share the results of the experiment. Situation: My girlfriend could not go out for a week because of stomach problems and as a result from that having a deep depression not to do anything. She has daily panic attacks and sleeps very late. Trip:Now in the middle of a beginning panic attack she vaped 5 Meo. Just one hit she said. She took it and was fine. Then she took another and another and then one strong one. She lied on the floor, completely symmetrical like a star and then did weird symmetrical body movements exactly like Martin ball always describes it (yoga poses but weird). Then her movements stop and fear went to the roof , her face pressed together, tongue out of her mouth. She told me later this was almost over her limit and she wanted to scream out of fear because this cosmic energy which she received was too powerful and she tried to accept this universal force but she could not. Only focusing on her breath prevented her in this situation from screaming out loud. Something she learned from countless rollercoaster rides while high on LSD. After the trip she wrote down on a letter in big words: have big acceptance. Acceptance (especially to herself) is the key to everything. Because she always hated herself and the whole situation if her stomach issues force her to lie in bed all day and then she can't do anything productive. This gave her always extra mental baggage which leads to depression, panic attacks and burn out. Result: Next day she could leave the house again without problem. She is not healed completely she said but it was a big step to get out of this cycle of depression. She got many insights out of the trip, many she don't want to talk about. Overall It's not what I expected. It should be just a tiny microdose but she was in for a full trip. It got her out of her panic attack in the end but she experienced great fear also during the trip because of this universal force entering her body, which she managed very well. More experiments will follow if her panic attacks should start again, but maybe it should be not a full 5 Meo breakthrough trip.

When I read your posts I always get the feeling like you don't know what you are talking about - at all. Like a business man tries to talk with software developers about their technical problems. You are using deep words but there is no depth or understanding in these sentences. Just a superficial repeat from what you heared from Leo gura or read in a book somewhere. I would say, go get some real experience.

Ah I recognized you speak about Germany. In Germany you can do a lot. Working for example. People are directly expressing their feelings.It can sometimes be seen as unfriendly but it's just authenticity and direct talking. We don't like artificial and manipulative behavior. If you suck we will let you know that you suck. If you are good, you will get compliments. On bigger companies in office jobs however it's less direct and more inauthentic and manipulative.