OBEler

Yes. Attention seeking.Not a good way to get a serious invitation to an interview. I think the best way is to work your way up on interview making to get to the real hard to get people (if you even want to speak to them). I don't know about JP, he talks with almost everyone I feel.

Very rare experiences you have. So can you answer what happens after you "died" on salvia? How was the transition, were you always aware and full conscious?

At least they can see they imagine angel Gabriel by themselves.

How can you play a mediocre game for 100 hours? With all the options you have. I mean you can do everything in the world.Did you hear podcasts during playing this game? I never played this game because I hate random generated worlds the most. It feels just dead. Even with countless npcs. No spirit behind

You can turn hot witch girlfriends into the most consciousness persons If these would try 5 Meo deep enough. 5 Meo can brutally fix their delusions. Although a real deep trip would be needed. And of course their will to do so. Just my personal experience.

That is a very good question to ask. Can someone answer this? I have no experience so I wish I could help and aswer your question. @Leo Gurawhat can you say about that?

If he would try 5 meos, then for sure. Otherwise his next new level of awakening would be probably his own death

He doesn't need to imagine you. I will do it for you Everyone here stays in my imagination so the world is saved.

I broke down this argument in another thread("My Bashar consult") It's just another wild assumption. This is not the end of evidence at all.

@What Am I ah ok thanks for clarifying. Yes it would not be possible I think. And it wouldn't be a good decision because switching from horror (come up/ego death) to bliss is common on 5 and it happens fast. If you would take in horror you would miss the bliss after (which heals the horror I think)

oh man is that good

Interesting perspective. I ask me what Leo tells about that as an experienced tripper and if he ever took trip killers.

Yeah we need to try out what's best. Psychedelics, sober practices or both. The only way is trying out for yourself seriously. No guru can tell you that. Not even sadghuru.

I agree with that, psychedelic users should also well know the other side and at least invest a serious time and work sober. Otherwise they also really shouldn't compare. But at the end you really only can compare if you did both seriously.

And that are the only one who should be allowed to compare, if they did it seriously. Most people like Ralston did just a bunch of random lsd trips, a very weak psychedelic compared to 5 Meo. They should not allowed to compare at all.

The difference is, I was on the other side (the natural path) before for decades. So I know the other side very well. But the other side doesn't know the psychedelic using side. So they really are clueless. That's the difference.

From our common sense. It should be enough to see that sadghuru is spiritual more developed than trump through his actions, his speeches. You cannot say absolutely that and you can never prove that but then we already touch absolute truth and comparisons will be not possible.

That might be right from an absolute perspective but let's not destroy every discussion with such plump truth. Don't mix absolute truth with relative or we cannot even discuss about anything. It's like we discuss deeply a topic about which products are healthier, burger vs an apple and you come and tell everyone that there is no truth everyone is right. Because everyone lives in their reality and it's all subjective. It's like people who tell no one exists so no one is eating. Eating is an illusion. End of discussion.

@Salvijusok another example: Trump thinks sadghuru is delusional about spirituality.sadghuru thinks Trump is delusional about spirituality. Is there still one who is more delusional or are both equally delusional of spirituality overall? Just because both think of each other as delusional doesn't mean both are same delusional Now replace trump with non drug users and sadghuru with serious psychonauts. That's what I want to tell.

@Salvijus If you study spiral dynamics both groups, higher vs lower, think of each other that the other group is delusional. But from a meta perspective the higher one is less delusional than the lower one.

@Salvijus I know what I say will trigger some sober yogi people here. But it is what it is. Drug free vs drug users, it's funny to observe how mostly drug free users get angry at them and try to dismiss their achievements which are obviously way bigger in some fields (not in all of course). Especially in sports this makes a world difference between those two groups. Let's just be honest. They are jealous at them. Like Peter Ralston would probably jealous at Leo who didn't do much consciousness work like Ralston did. It dismisses somehow his work and I can understand that. Should I read Ralstons book or take 20 minutes of 5 Meo and then probably could write the book by myself after? But of course there exists natural people who even could outgrow drug users. It's pretty rare but possible and these people would with drugs probably go to levels no human accessed before.

Yes that happens, even after 5 Meo. I don't say this is delusional free. But I see so many people, especially here on this forum, who do yoga and meditation only and become even more and more delusional and stupid over time if they haven't done a good amount of psychedelics before. I think psychedelics will at least self correct you the deeper you go. With normal tools this would take decades. So better grow fast with some delusional states in-between than stay a stupid guy for decades until he reaches the next little yoga progression.

She took 5 meos. Yes then things happened. She became god. So what? When sadghuru was sitting on the mountain for hours also things happened. Do you think only yoga and meditation as a tool is allowed to raise your consciousness, otherwise it's false? This thinking is limited and cannot pass reality check. If someone pumps 300 kg with steroids in just a few months and the other one trains natural his whole life and pumps 120 kg, who at the end pumps more at a contest? You see the drug free one cannot even compete. So with consciousness work.

She says such things completely sober and it's her baseline reality, without taking anything. Well what I just want to show you that you have not found a proof against Solipsism at all. You are just taking wild assumptions