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@mmKay You see that's all I say. And yeah it's not all apples to apples though.

@mmKay where did I say Nazis were not corrupt? Of course they were. "Lead a normal life and feel free to cancel if you don't want to do some dirty tasks"? Do you understand what politely declining a task from that corrupt regime means for your family , business and possessions?" I probably do more understand than you do if you think you will be immediately deported. I even have personal evidence, a family member, he was in the SS, refused to work at a concentration camp because it was traumatic for him to do this dirty job. So what happened? Nothing really. No punishment at all. he took another job which had nothing to do with killing people. He lived a good life until he died in the age of 80. Interesting that I need to position myself if I see Nazis as good or bad. Such a black and white view I don't have. I am only interested in what was true. And as reality is complex , so is the behavior of Nazis. At the end they were human beings, or at least partly humans. So there is a lot of ambiguity in my posts here because if you want to hear the truth and not the repeated propaganda story things get complex and sometimes paradox. But if you really want a position from me, fine : I am against the image of Nazi Germany created by Hollywood war movies (inglorious bastards etc) and call of duty games. It's a distorted view of how it really was and many of you are brainwashed by this as I can also see in this thread. Most Nazis were not sadistic, narcistic psychos but total normal people like me and you who had probably their best times in their lifes in Nazi Germany until they lost the war. People today think that Germans were either total stupid or forced to participate in Hitler regime. But the truth is most Germans were willfully participating in it and glorified the Hitler regime. Hitler raised to country out of misery. And not only conservatives were Nazis, from all kind of classes. It was a unified country and there was not so much pressure needed to create this like people here think (no North Korea style).

You are not a software developer. You make it too complicated. Just copy paste the chatgpt code without reading it because that saves time, run the application and then see if it worked. In 90% of times it works. Only then (!) read the code.if it doesn't work, give ChatGPT the error message and let it correct the code. And repeat

@Dodo you had a real out of body experience this differs from lucid dreaming in it's realness. It looks like this real world just a bit more glitchy and like on LSD so if you look close enough Things start moving Your consciousness switches lightening off so you see everything but no shadows or light soucesm too difficult to compute

@Leo Gura yeah of course figuratively! But from what I know about civil normal Germans who were not real Nazis, pressure was not a big issue. Probably was the pressure as big as in China right now or less for accepting the government. So nothing really threatening you can live a normal life just follow some rules if you are not accepting the ideology of Nazis/Nazi regime. Only 5 million party members out of 70 million existed 1939. f you are not a party member you can still have a normal life. So the figuratively pressure Leo describes is not as strong as some Hollywood movies suggest. This does not include the last months of Germany. There went everything crazy. If you don't want to do some dirty tasks for the Nazis you are free to cancel, no one will punish you, you just loose some respect maybe. They had enough people in the genocide who participated willingly. Many thought probably If you are not doing it, some other comrate needs to do it for you.

@Soul Flight @Ishanga thanks for sharing.most incredible trip report I ever heard besides Leos ones of course. Here is second part. It changed his whole life.

Ok the mother day existed before in america but Hitler made it in Germany as an official celebration day for the first time in Germany. From ChatGPT: Germany's population at the time was around 65 million. Minority groups included Jews, who numbered about 500,000 (less than 1% of the population), along with smaller communities of Sinti and Roma, Poles, and other ethnicities. Other minorities (Poles, Sinti and Roma, Afro-Germans, and other smaller ethnic groups): Given that the Jewish community was the most significant minority group numerically, the other groups collectively would constitute a small percentage of the population, likely in the range of 4% to 6%, considering the ethnic German majority accounted for 93% to 95% of the population. "But what about jobs were majority were male and women wanted to do those jobs related to S.T.E.M, military, construction, et cetera? What about single women at that time?" war led to women taking on a broader range of jobs, including those traditionally held by men. There was even a woman general. But outside of war they could just do jobs for women.

@mmKay Ok that is a valid point. I thought if you are German and just live your life, contributing to Germany, you are ok. But if you don't participate at all in any activity there could be some serious issues with gestapo. It's not like North Korea but at the end of the war it got more and more dangerous. Regarding to this topic I remember a personal story: My great grandfather lead a prisoner of war camp and got kicked out of his position because Nazis thought he would threat these prisoners too nice. He was traumatized and never recovered from this violation of his honor. He once begged my grandfather to send him a gun to shoot himself after he knew Germany will lose the war. He finally died at the end of war in a psychward, it was official suicide (but who knows). So it can go in the wrong direction if you really don't participate. You will not be shot immediately but circumstances like destroyig your career can lead to depression and suicide. It was known that Hitler sent unliked generals personally a handgun as a signal that they had the last chance to shoot themselves so they can at least die in honor. Otherwise the gestapo will finish the job. But these generals really did something wrong. There was always a serious issue. Just having a different opinion than Hitler on military issues was not dangerous.

@Schizophonia sorry there is a bug on mobile version I cannot delete references once I tip on someone. @mmKay please read more carefully what I wrote. I wrote that there was nothing to fear if you don't participate in the Nazi party. So if you are not a member of the party and just live your life, fine. That's what I meant by that. But If you do something official against the Nazi regime of course you would be in danger. You cannot imply out of my argument that people can do whatever they want. Of course not! Why do I even need to explain that to you? In no country in the world you can behave like you want and have nothing to fear.

@Schizophonia @Danioover9000please do the math. There were 500.000 Jews living in Germany when Hitler came to power. That's under 1% of german population. The factory workers are of course Jews from occupied countrys by the Nazis and not germans /living in Germany. I claimed that most German population were save unter Hitler even if they don't take part in Nazi party. No one was putting a gun to someone's head if they didn't become a full Nazi member. That's bullshit. Of course there was group pressure and probably other social constrictions but not as hard as people think. And I still don't understand what are the security issues for women ? They were highly respected, maybe for the first time. until today we celebrate the so called "mother day ", which Hitler invented. House wives were respected and working in the household is a save environment so what exactly are you talking about?

Oh holy shit...now I know why he doesn't look so good as back then and is always screaming around. He really went through something..

I am today a full stack software developer for desktop and web applications which are used by banks and insurance companies (financial accounting). Before that I was working also as a c# developer for a biotech company on some laboratory robotic devices for automation. Interesting jobs but I look for something more meaningful.

@Leo Gura yeah too bad...why in the hell he deleted them..to talk about these topics again for the new generation?

@Danioover9000 I speak for most Germans of course...not the under 1‰ Germans who were Jewish or disabled. Or the 2000 black people What do you mean with women?

@Leo Gura Germans became Nazis not because Nazis would put a gun on their head. There was nothing to fear if you don't participate in the Nazi party. Just maybe some obstacles in career but nothing serious. It was not like North Korea. Germans mostly became Nazis because they believed in Hitler and his ideology. That's the truth no one wants to hear

@Danioover9000 maybe a general one: you will throw all your political views out of the window once a higher force enters your system and convinces you the other way.

@Leo Gura so being a conservative is not necessary at all to become a Nazi.

@Leo Gura I give you an analogy from pickup scene Women have their moral, value, norms and rules they follow. Until they meet a giga chad and women will willingly throw all these away for him and adapt to his frame and ideology. It's not rational, it's not logical. Pure biology.That's exactly with Hitler and the Germans . Hitler was hypnotizing everyone, women closed to him began suicide if Hitler gave them not enough attention. Hitler was celebrated as a rockstar like no one in history, people worshipped him like a god. Without Hitler, Nazis never would arise this way. Almost Everyone was converted to a Nazi to a degree. Conservative, leftist doesn't matter. They all were proud to live in these times and blindly follow Hitlers command. He was seen as savior of Germany. Some Nazis surely would see him as savior of humankind. Saying it is necessary to be conservative to become a Nazi..you underestimate Hitler and his power over germans.

I see you are not working as a full time programmer. ChatGPT already reduces my coding time by 30%. It produces acceptable code. If you let it correct itself it writes as good as a senior developer. It's not far outside to think that AI will replace coding completely.

But then it's not a conservative person anymore but something new. Every normal guy can become a Nazi, you don't need to be conservative. I read your blog post again and even if I hang up on the word conservative and Nazi, the blog post has some good points especially with ChatGPT.

Tell then a social conservative that he should adapt to changing times. He should from now on erase his human weakness, throw out his morals, traditions and norms he values so much out of the window so he can kill more Jews and die on the battle in pure faith for a single man called Hitler. Will he then still be a conservative person?

I am a C# and angular full stack developer. I can see that AI will make coding obsolete, it's just a matter of time.so falling in love with a programming language is not good. It will be replaced one day through AI. Just grasp the fundamentals and on the rest AI will take care of.

Fair enough. But your big picture thinking could sometimes also include some more focus for details.

@Danioover9000 Yes. I didn't watched the video but read about Leos opinion and needed to address how wrong it is to even consider a Nazi as ultra conservativ. Even if there is a semantic spectrum around these categories, there is a foundational difference between a Nazi and an (ultra) conservative man. You cannot put a Nazi in this category.

@Leo Gura While the categorization of political movements can be influenced by perspective and semantics, recognizing the foundational differences in ideology, goals, and methods is key to a thorough understanding and discussion of these topics. Maybe that's the difference why Germany was so successful in philosophy,science and engineering compared to the rest of the world. We value precision and nuance in our native language when we talk about a topic.