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@Ishanga I am not awakened but you imagine everyone here having this discussion. You are sharing it with yourself

What I say is you can act as if the world is not other than you. But there is no acting then really because everything is you. You will experience that the world is you. So whatever the human body does it's just in the flow with everything else. No one acts really. If you are not awakened to solipsism your dreams will also not be solipsistic.

Nothing, but experience is another level. You can philosophy your way to truth but you still just hold a concept in your mind. That's not experience. Although philosophy can lead to experience but mostly it stays at theory level.

The difference is, before solipsism you interacted with an outside reality, after you interact inside yourself. And for you there is just you. So the world doesn't disappear it gets recontextualized.You are just doing philosophy my friend, as I knew it the whole time.

No I talked about something other you said. Not that solipsism is not practical that may be true. I focused on this sentence: "we act as if we believe in the objective reality of an external world..and no amount of "solipsising " will ever change that ." You will not act according to the believe in the objective reality of an external world if you fully grasp solipsism. Even though from another persons perspective it may seem so.

That's maybe for those like you who never really had an awakening to solipsism but just do philosophy. You are not awakened at all like you claimed. You will not act if you believe in the objective reality of an external world. From the outside it may see so but not from your perspective. You will interact with yourself 24 hours.

Yes it's indeed interesting how mainstream sees actualized.org. thanks for sharing Mainstream is for me is ADHD like. Oh what's that! Ah a cult leader! Ooh interesting topics. Click, click, yeah true. True. ok wayne. move on to the next.

Oh yeah absolutely! I will start with a meme created fully by Chatgpt4o, no one can top that:

@Leo Guracan we make a self created meme contest? The best one gets a price (landing on your blog post or something like that)

You underestimate us. Even kids can handle hardcore versions of solipsism. If your version of solipsism is true then our psyche is through evolution already programmed to handle this truth and go on. Back then you introduced us to solipsism which first time hearing was indeed destabilizing, also because of your radical way of explaining things. But now years have passed and we had 100 of solipsism threads. Everyone has now already heard about one version or another of solipsism. So your version (even if it's the most radical that no consciousness is behind anyone including your own and you are completely alone) will not shock so anymore. My girlfriend is spiritual gifted and took Malt, thanks to that she lives in solipsism.I never told her anything about you and your teachings. But even she is fine with that after a little integration. Nothing really changes in terms of going on with mundane life.

@Leo Gura we all think like classic solipsism. Can you once and for all clarify what your version of Solipsism is? First you were agreeing about ken wilbers version of solipsism based on the video. Now you disagree because in his book he write it more in detail. So what exactly is your version of solipsism. And not just one zen- sentence again where you can interpret. Best way would be using the example with the picture of small circles of podium and audience.

@Keryo Koffa you have some real talent Leo should hire you to visualize us what he want to tell with all this solipsism stuff

Hahaha 🤣 leos every day interaction with this forum

Use a vape pen with own cartridges and you don't need to load for redosing

But you could call one awakening deeper or more beautiful than another so this could be seen as a hierarchy And your alien mind awakening seems deeper than all others before. That would explain why it was your latest awakenings. So each awakening goes deeper and deeper and is more hard to reach. I would see that as a hierarchy

Even if you could live from that state, would it still be miserable if you have a bad health or would this state transfer suffering somehow.

@Leo Gura ok thanks for answering all my questions. This is really alien like. Still asking me if there would be still a way how a human could exploit this state for his own survival.

Ok I thought so. But could another human being give the alien mind an input of information, the alien mind process it with its alien mind state and could give an output? If language is too simple for an output maybe drawing pictures or something like that. Can this alien mind state use your concepts and memory about this world

@Leo Gura can you measure this alien mind somehow, like taking an IQ test while in this consciousness state. What would probably be the outcome

But this higher level than human experience, is it somehow linked to anything on this world or is it in it's completely own reality and there is no interaction with this world here on earth possible. For example you could not talk with us while you are in this alien mind. You could not transfer any knowledge to this realm. You could not show us this transformation on camera etc

You said take 100 breakthroughs with 5 Meo DMT to be sure to figure out what your version of Solipsism means.So just using your intelligence alone is not enough. So it's not so easy what you really mean. Are you the center? But if reality is center less..

@Leo GuraMany here are still confused about solipsism, because in your solipsism video many could read out that you said there is no consciousness experience behind anyone you see. You said: "There is no one ... No one but you" I think many people just heard the first

See it as sacrifice for the rule of the game. If you would exclude trauma and suffering from the game we are then here again with a meaningless boring game. Someone needs to sacrifice for the whole. We need contrast and limitations to create meaning, growth,free will and special sensations

@shree Because through limitations you get things more meaningful, interesting, exiting, understandable. Growth is possible. You can taste specific things. Or do you want to eat a food that is unlimited and contains all tastes possible? How disgusting. If you get everything for free you don't value anything in life. You would jump out of the window, no fear because you are invincible. It becomes boring as hell. Like cheatcodes in a game could ruin the whole game.

Yeah try not to try so to speak So do not try to accept. Do not try to be the observer. Do not try to love So if I can't try what can I do if it hits really hard