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Haha yeah...I also recognized that. Oh man.

You cannot access alien mind right now because you take a break from psychedelics became of health reasons. I just hope you don't forget how to access this state until your alien mind course comes out. The mind forgets fast... especially unusual states of consciousness .

Only Leo can tell

Great answer. And I changed my opinion. At first I thought he is a stubborn old man who doesn't want to experience new things. But he should be taken seriously. And he did high doses of LSD in hos youth

@Leo Guramaybe now a good time to make an interview with him? Comparing his new awakening with one of your countless awakenings from 5 Meo?

Example of an yellow cat:

Yes we need to be open minded that we are full of shit. The best way would be when Peter Ralston looks at our 5 Meo side because he just needs 30 minutes of time to understand our perspective. But we need 30 years to understand his. So he is the only one who can compare both sides. Or Leo and Ralston come together and talk that out.

Yes it's brutal reality how someone like Peter Ralston who is known for being one of the most conscious man on earth still acts and thinks like an old stubborn close minded man with all his bias. How on earth is this possible. Maybe nature shapes you more than anything. No one is save from self bias.

Trump now slaps back: Trump: Alright, Leo, listen up. You think you know solipsism? Let me tell you, you've barely scratched the surface. I know solipsism. I have the best solipsism. Leo Gura: Mr. Trump, I don't think- Trump: *unterbricht* No, you don't think. That's the point. Your version of solipsism? It's weak. Low energy. You're still caught up in the idea of experiencing things. But let me tell you about Trump Solipsism™. Leo: Trump Solipsism? Trump: That's right. It's not just about experiencing reality. It's about creating it. When I say "Make America Great Again," I'm not just saying words. I'm literally forming reality. Leo: But that's not really- Trump: In Trump Solipsism, there's no difference between saying and doing. When I think it, it becomes real. That's power. That's true solipsism. Jordan Peterson: Mr. Trump, that's a rather unique interpretation- Trump: Of course it is. Because I thought of it. Look, your solipsism is all about doubting reality. Trump Solipsism is about knowing you're the only real thing and bending everything else to your will. Leo: That sounds more like extreme egoism than solipsism. Trump: Egoism, solipsism - they're just words. In my reality, they mean what I want them to mean. That's the lesson here, Leo. You're trapped thinking about one consciousness. I've moved beyond that. In Trump Solipsism, even the concept of "one" is flexible. Leo: *sichtlich verwirrt* I'm not sure that makes sense... Trump: Of course it does. Because I said it does. That's the power of Trump Solipsism. I don't just shape reality; I shape the rules of reality itself. Top that, Leo.

I absolutely can confirm this. And people will for sure understand, if they take themselves many times 5 Meo. People don't understand that there is depth in anything. And realizing how unreal Santa clause is has also many depth.

Yeah maybe it's too crazy to think of but it's not impossible. What me concerns after reading some of his replies: He is such an typical old man , not flexible enough to turn around. Always stuck in his paradigm although he wrote so much good books on how to break out of it. It's too sad.

@Miguel1 @Salvijus I tried it out with Chatgpt4o too and it was boring as hell. Claude is on another level. I read the conversation between these again from hulk Hogan and Trump, even a comedian could not make that so funny

@Asia P amazing trip report! Never had that experiencef so far. How do you surrender best?

And finally Trump joins: *Hulk Hogan exits, flexing his muscles one last time* *Donald Trump enters the room* Donald Trump: Hello everyone. I hear you're having a tremendous conversation about reality. Nobody knows reality better than me, believe me. Leo Gura: Mr. Trump, we were discussing solipsism - the idea that only one's own mind is sure to exist. What are your thoughts on this? Donald Trump: Solipsism? Sounds like fake news to me. I deal in real estate, not philosophy. But let me tell you, if reality is all in my mind, it's a beautiful mind. The best mind. Jordan Peterson: Mr. Trump, the question at hand is about the nature of consciousness and our perception of reality. It's a complex philosophical issue. Donald Trump: Look, I've built a great reality. The best buildings, the best TV shows. If it's all in my mind, I've done a fantastic job. Nobody builds a better reality than Trump. Geo Lura: But Mr. Trump, the point of solipsism is that everything, including other people, might only exist in one's consciousness. Donald Trump: Are you saying I might have imagined my electoral victory? Because it was huge, believe me. Absolutely huge. Leo Gura: That's not quite the point. We're exploring the nature of consciousness itself. Donald Trump: I have a very good brain and I've said a lot of things. If consciousness is about winning, then I'm the most conscious person you've ever seen. Jordan Peterson: This is rather missing the philosophical point of our discussion... Donald Trump: The only point that matters is that I'm making America great again. That's real. You can see it, you can feel it. It's not in your mind, it's in your wallet. Leo Gura: But what if the concept of America, of wealth, of you yourself, Mr. Trump, are all constructs of a singular consciousness? Donald Trump: The only thing I construct are beautiful buildings and great deals. And let me tell you, they're very real. You can't fake real estate. Geo Lura: I think we've strayed quite far from our original discussion... Donald Trump: We've strayed because your ideas are weak. My reality is strong. It's the best reality. Everyone says so. Jordan Peterson: Perhaps we should refocus our discussion on the philosophical implications of solipsism rather than... whatever this has become. Donald Trump: Philosophy doesn't create jobs. Trump does. That's all the reality you need to know.

Hulk Hogan joins Jordan Peterson: ...and that's why we must be cautious about ideas that could undermine individual responsibility. *Suddenly, Hulk Hogan bursts into the room* Hulk Hogan: Well let me tell you something, brothers! The Hulkster has been listening to all this fancy talk about sol-ip-sism and consciousness, and I've got something to say! Leo Gura: Hulk Hogan? This is unexpected. What are your thoughts on solipsism? Hulk Hogan: Listen here, dude! In the ring, when I'm dropping the leg on some jabroni, I don't have time to wonder if he really exists! All I know is, when I flex these 24-inch pythons, the whole world feels it, brother! Geo Lura: That's... an interesting perspective, Mr. Hogan. Hulk Hogan: You bet it is, little Geo! The Hulkster lives by a simple philosophy - train, say your prayers, eat your vitamins, and believe in yourself! That's all the reality I need! Jordan Peterson: Mr. Hogan, while your approach is certainly... direct, there might be some validity to focusing on tangible action rather than abstract philosophical concepts. Hulk Hogan: You got that right, Professor! When you're standing in front of 93,000 screaming Hulkamaniacs at the Pontiac Silverdome, brother, you don't question if they're real! You feel the energy! Leo Gura: But Hulk, have you ever considered that all those fans, the energy, even your own body, might all be projections of a singular consciousness? Hulk Hogan: *flexes muscles* Does this look like a projection to you, brother? The only thing I'm projecting is pure Hulkamania! And it's running wild! Geo Lura: This conversation has certainly taken an unexpected turn. Hulk Hogan: Let me break it down for you, brothers. Whether the world is all in my head or not, I'm going to keep slamming giants, saying my prayers, and being a real American! Whatcha gonna do when Hulkamania and reality run wild on you?! Jordan Peterson: I must admit, there's a certain pragmatic wisdom in Mr. Hogan's approach, even if it's rather... colorfully expressed. Leo Gura: I suppose even in a solipsistic universe, there's room for Hulkamania. Hulk Hogan: You got that right, brother! Now, if you'll excuse me, I've got to go bench press a philosophically ambiguous 400 pounds! Hulk Hogan, out! *Hulk Hogan exits, leaving the others in stunned silence*

Jordan Peterson joins: Leo Gura: ...and that's why I believe solipsism can be directly experienced through expanding consciousness. Geo Lura: It's certainly a radical perspective on reality, Leo. Jordan Peterson: enters the conversation Excuse me, gentlemen, but I couldn't help overhearing your discussion on solipsism. I have some thoughts on this matter. Leo: Dr. Peterson, welcome to our conversation. I'd be interested to hear your perspective. Jordan Peterson: Well, I must say I'm quite skeptical of the claim that solipsism can be "experienced" as an ultimate truth. It seems to me that such a view negates the fundamental structure of human experience and the necessity of engaging with the world. Geo: How so, Dr. Peterson? Jordan Peterson: You see, our entire biological and psychological makeup is structured around the assumption of an external world that we must navigate. Our perceptual systems, our emotions, our very capacity for thought - all of these evolved to help us survive in a world that exists independent of our minds. Leo: But couldn't that all be part of the illusion, the construct of consciousness? Jordan Peterson: That's a dangerous path, Leo. If we take solipsism seriously, we risk falling into nihilism. Why strive for anything if it's all just a figment of your imagination? Why have ethics? Why care about others? Leo: I'd argue that realizing the unity of all consciousness actually leads to greater compassion and ethics. Jordan Peterson: But that's precisely my point. The fact that you feel compelled to justify ethics within this framework suggests that you can't fully commit to solipsism. You're still operating under the assumption of other minds, of consequences, of meaning beyond yourself. Geo: That's an interesting observation. Jordan Peterson: Furthermore, the very act of communicating this idea contradicts it. Why try to convince others of solipsism if others don't truly exist? It's self-defeating. Leo: I see your point, but I believe you're looking at it from a limited perspective. The realization of solipsism doesn't negate action in the world, it transforms how we engage with it. Jordan Peterson: Perhaps. But I would caution against any philosophy that dismisses the reality we all share and the responsibilities that come with it. It's far more productive, in my view, to grapple with the world as we experience it, to find meaning in our struggles and relationships, than to dissolve everything into an abstract oneness. Geo: This is certainly a clash of deeply different worldviews. Jordan Peterson: Indeed it is. And that's why these conversations are crucial. We must be careful about ideas that, while intriguing, might undermine the very foundations of human society and individual responsibility.

Claude3.5 sora just created a conversation between Leo Gura and Geo Lura. The internet is broken now: Leo Gura: Hey Geo, let's talk about solipsism. Many people think it's an unanswerable philosophical question, but I believe it's actually experienceable through infinity. Geo Lura: That's an intriguing perspective, Leo. Most philosophers consider solipsism unfalsifiable. How do you propose one can experience it? Leo: It's all about consciousness, Geo. Through deep meditation and self-inquiry, one can expand consciousness to the point of realizing that all of reality is a projection of one's own mind. Geo: That's a bold claim. Are you saying that through some kind of altered state, one can directly perceive that only their mind exists? Leo: Exactly. It's not just an intellectual understanding, but a direct experiential realization. When you go deep enough into consciousness, you discover that you are the source of all reality. Geo: But how can you be sure this isn't just a subjective experience or illusion? Leo: The experience itself transcends the subject-object duality. In that state, there is no distinction between the experiencer and the experienced. It's a complete dissolution of the ego and the realization that all is one. Geo: That sounds intense. But couldn't this just be a form of solipsistic delusion rather than an actual proof of solipsism? Leo: I understand the skepticism, Geo. But this isn't about logical proof in the conventional sense. It's about direct experiential knowledge. When you reach that state, doubt itself dissolves because you become the entirety of existence. Geo: It's certainly a fascinating concept, Leo. But how does one reconcile this view with our everyday experience of a shared, objective reality? Leo: The key is understanding that our everyday experience is a lower level of consciousness. As you expand your consciousness, you begin to see how reality is constructed by mind. The shared, objective reality is ultimately a consensual hallucination. Geo: That's a lot to process. It challenges everything we typically believe about the nature of reality. Leo: Exactly, and that's the point. True enlightenment requires a complete paradigm shift in how we understand existence. It's not easy, but it's possible to experience the truth of solipsism directly.

Yes make sense it can be more traumatic if you are coming from hell.

If we make a collection thread where everyone writes his own experience how much 5 Meo helped us to get deeper than anything and send him that, maybe that will convince him? Right now he refuses because he thinks it's just an experience which will vanish and therefore pointless? This argument needs to be destroyed

If you can make it real that Ralston will one day take 5 Meo with you, that would maybe the most profound thing. It's not out of this world. Even Eckart Tolle tried LSD( who convicted him on that??) and Peter Ralston took psychedelics in his youth.

there was a salvia trip report where someone looked into a mirror while high on salvia. He then experienced another life for some years. But maybe this would also happen if he didn't look in the mirror

Interesting experiment.

His health doesn't allow right now. He will talk one day about it I have no other information

Please bring that up! I am looking forward to

Lucid dreams are not out of body experiences although you can use lucid dreams to trigger an out of body experience. There is a clear difference between these.