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@Paul92 I feel you! Evn when I did not experienced your situation exactly I can understand you, because of same thoughts. I think you are in dark night of the soul. I researched a lot after grounding mysellf and intellectually (not from experience) I understand we are one and also separated individual human beings. both is real! From the very recommended book of Jana dixon biology of kundalini: "The Die-offs/dark nights are a “biochemical process” which secondarily brings about the dissolution of the operational personality structure for “a period of time”. The brain is undergoing such a catastrophic neurological meltdown and renewal, that the ego personality and functionality is temporarily completely non operational. Depending on ones inner resources at the time and whether one is essentially imbued with a biological faith or has a tendency to fear, depression and self-hatred—this will determine whether the incapacitation is navigated positively or simply adds to the burden of an already diffcult life. The psychologicalemotional story one gives to interpret this autogenic “biological” event, is secondary to the chemistry, and yet is absolutely key to whether one can use the down cycles to further ones spiritual growth, or simply cause an escalation of our primary suffering." "The Die-off’s in particular should be regarded with awe and gratitude as very good news. They don’t last long and we do not transform without them. The old must die for the new to be reborn. So the highs and lows of the kundalini cycle should be celebrated equally" Hope you will recover, take care of your body and mind. eat clean and do sport, take supplements like fishoil, magnesium, vitamin d3 to ground yourself first. No spiritual stuff so that it will not confuse u more. Then when u feel ok slowly get back to spirituality. let me know how u feel after month.

@FoxFoxFox I thank you very much, finally somebody who talks about it. When Leo talks in his videos like he knows everythig, it is very dangerous and scareful when you believe everything he says. Sometimes he says that no one should beliefe him, they should figure out for themselve. Problem is, that your subconscious mind still takes everythig what he says about for real on some level . Furthermore he sounds sometimes dogmatic about his experiences of truth, he gives the same message over and over in many of his videos. These messages make someone like me with little experience confusing and dogmatic too. Still he is ine of the best teachers for me, his content is high quality even with some bullshit in it, But as he said in one of his best videos, "everyoe is full of bullshit, including himself" :)

Thanks for the very profound report ! What was your psychedelic background? Did you have some insights you got from 5meo from other psychedelics before? Were there also some insights wich you needed to correct after 5 meo?

This is very hard to digest for the ego, who search enlightenment. He says there is no god, no director of anything. Life is total meaningless, it just is. You never will experience enlightenment, because there is no one who experiences anything. There is no free will, even no NOW. This all is not happening. There is just aliveness but again no one experience this aliveness Edit: I think this old man is a typical NEO-ADVAITA. He misinterprets some aspects of the truth too radical. He say some things about reality, he says these thoughts he has come directly from nothingness, but I think these thought of nothingness are not deep enough.

where is this main enlightenment page exactly, do you mean his bog posts? To what do you reference to? And can you elaborate which information here is against what Saumaya is saying?

@Hamilcar "the fact that there is no single valid proof?" Lol, there are so many proofs out there even in science you must be totally blind not to find them And let me tell you first hand experience, If you ever encounter a real paranormal experience, most time your first reaction will be to deny this experience. The egos world view will be deeply shattered by this and it will find any silly explanation that this paranormal stuff never happened. You will forget very quickly and go on with life as nothing happened. So most people with paranormal experience dont want them to exist at all. At least that is my experience with these people, they even dont tell anyone. And go deper with astral projection, that is not just some funny dream stuff. I had so many paranormal phenomena experienced I needed a break from going astral to work through these stuff. I even had a full blown ego death experience on one of them. At the end, there is no difference between astral world and this world, its just another dream in consciousness

@Joseph Maynor can you tell me some examples what you mean with improperly interpreting the trips? On psychedelics I think I could see reality more clearly than on anything else, because of loss of concepts. But this is just my experience

@laurastarla what keywords do I need to find this reddit post? I hope it is not banned already @astrokeen look for psilhuasca

@Leo Gura well I think you should study Hitler again. He had no personal hate against jews, not at all. He used hate against jews to manipulate the masses. Nevertheless he also saw a problem in them because they controlled the financial system back in these days. His main goal was to liberate human mankind from this financial system. If there would be another option than killing all jews to destroy the financial system he would take this option, then he would not kill one jew. But there was no other option in the middle of a world war. “Mind and soul ultimately return to the collective being of the world. If there is a God, then he gives us not only life but also consciousness and awareness. If I live my life according to my God-given insights, then I cannot go wrong, and even if I do, I know that I have acted in good faith.” Adolph Hitler

@Leo Gura Hitler was not blue at all, thats how media wants to see him. Read the biography from his only friend August Kubizek. Hitler hated school system as he was young, disliked religions. He knew instinctly that most german people are red/blue and used to manipulate them. He gave different speeches to different people dependend on their classes. He loved the war, because it teached him so much about reality. there he had his deepest insights always being close to death. It seems he had paranormal abilitys because of his consciousness level if you research a little more, dont want to go out too far here. He is an good example of yellow/turquise I thing, he was a strong system thinker thats for sure, not enlightened but very close to enlightenment I think. His idea of swastika he had from buddhism. He was not possessed or fanatic about germany at all , that s just media. in his view it was even good that germany was defeated at the end. He admired many cultures not only his own. He was thinking about the world as the whole, wanted just the best for humanity from his own view. He had deep love for everyone, most for children and animals No one should know who he really was, Hitler knew this at best. Because red/blue people wont like this. And today winners write history so he is just the cartoonish evil guy

@Kallan Thank you, it sounds like you are over the dark night of the soul. I also went through it after my first lsd trip. I needed to stop from spirituality for a month. Since 2 Weeks I am back, I feel normal again and most of the time I am not aware that all of this is illusion. But still life becomes so more awesome after dark night of the soul, I also start to see some hidden truth in almost every form of art. Nature looks mysterious. And we still need to live our life so meaning exist in some way in some level, at least for the ego. But I know it doesnt exist on deeper levels and I am ok with it

@furashido @Saumaya can you elaborate what things needed to settle in in these years? Do you (your real self) wish sometimes to be fully identified with fake ego again without knowing the truth? Can you as an enlightened one also use the ego to enjoy ego desires like reading interesting books, watching funny movies, eating sweet things, being curious what else is to know about yourself (like infinite intelligence?) Or are these just sensations no one enjoys, desires no one is looking after? or are there both at the same time your fake ego which enjoys these things and your real self which just is ? is it like watching a movie, constantly knowing noting is real, just pixel moving? but then there is no immersion into the movie, no fun, no exitement

I ave this same sensation during the day. I dont know how this energy is called at day. At night it is called sleep paralysis. I can do this also at will. When you make these vibrations stronger at night you can leave your body and go into the astral world. These vibrations are a sign for it that you can stand up and do an obe. Worth to explore

Was there a time where you also went trough this phase (or should I better say "dark night of the soul")? I am also like @Betterself in this sometimes depressing state. I even considered to quit enlightment after the discovery on a trip, that everything is dead, life is just a dream and I am the only one. But I could not surrender, I was identified with my ego the whole trip. Hardest part in my life to handle the truth with an intact ego. Now I am back on the path, somehow my mind adapted to this new perspective as you said. Still depressing when I think about this stuff. I hate this truth. Most people on this forum see the beauty in it, enlightened beings can joke about it and are blissful. Still I dont know if it will be worth for me to go after an ego death experience. Will there be an even worse dark night of the soul waiting for me?

can somebody help me with this, I want to speak from the absolute perspective: a stone is something that appears in consciousness. It is not conscious, not self aware, just something that appears in consciousness a human being is something that appears in consciousness. it is not conscious, not self aware, just something that appears in consciousness. The only difference is that consciousness is identified with this human being. Do I understand this correctly?

Maybe this books guideline helps your friend: The Psychedelic Experience A Manual Based on the Tibetan Book of the Dead-Citadel (2000) it is short, good structured and gives perfect settings advice for LSD. It gives you as the trip sitter as well as the tripper a guideline, how the tripper can experience god. Give a report if it worked for your friends. For me alone it helped a lot

It was lab made hcl version, the toad version has some visuals and is therefore not so straight forward to infinity like synthetic 5 meo. But of course both are same effective. This is what I heard, I never used these substances

@Sukhpaal @Sukhpaal I thank you for your answer, now I understand. Life is perfect, nothing changed. Just that it is a game. its funny that the most thing I like in this world are video games. But they are not real. Therefore I love already things which are not real. I like it Want to play another round and another round... to infinity

@Sukhpaal as a functioning ego I cannot understand how this "experience" you had was also wonderful and that you as an ego also want to surrender totally to this "nothingness". In this nothingness there is nothing going on for eternity, isnt it? But right now there is also nothing going on.. For an ego, how can it be wonderful to know that there is nothing? To see at your girlfriend and to know that you are looking at a dreampicture made out of nothing and no one ever experience this, even yourself?

@Kallan Thanks for your reply. What you wrote made deeply sense to me. I know how you feel. This realization that nothing is real, nothing doesnt matter and no one exist, this feeling I had in a online video game I was lost in for so many years. It was a depressing feeling. I quit this game. So you see everywhere the illusion. I hope you can still get lost in it. Like watching a movie I dont want to be 100% aware during the movie while thinking that this is just a movie and nothing is real. This would not be fun anymore. Can you still get lost in illusions?

What was your spiritual preparation and your backgroud of psychedelica? What is your setting? Congratulations to your glimpse with this one stamp of AL-LAD. I tripped 3 times with AL-LAD and never reached such deep glimpse. hope I will get there

@Kallan how much did you take? Can you also snort it there? And what is your spiritual background? If you are looking backwards, was it a good decision to do this so early in your spiritual progress?

@Moreira did you read my post? I see pink elephants and green unicorns in astral realms. A friend of mine see these things in this world. Whats the difference? You dont see these because there is infinity so there must also exist a world where you dont see these creatures. Or as leo said, take some lsd, then there is a high possiblility that you will see these things too

@Paulus Amadeus Ok so you want an example for something impossible would like to happen in a world exactly like this world we live right now? Like a bird is singing beatles in front of you? Such stranges things happend to me every night when I travel to the astral world. In the astral world you are in a reality exactly like this world. Everything looks the same ( I sometimes dont know if I am in astral world or real world). But suddenly out of nowere strange things happen. For example you are in your room and suddenly there are 100 green crystals materializing left to you, vibrating and disappear one after another. When this happens, I know where I am. Ok you might say, astral world is not real. What about this world? I know somebody who have experienced such thinks you describe too often. This is normal stuff for him. He is not in astral world when he experience this, he is in this world. He even see more strange things like a bird singing beatles. He experience things materializing in this world which are too difficult to describe, which are not accessible through your 5 senses

Lesson 7: Om Japa in the Chakras The book on page 84 simply says to go up to the fifth chakra and medulla, then it says to pause twice, once for chakra duration and medulla, and then before chanting as you come back down for the 5th 4th 3rd 2nd and 1st. I don't understand what all this means. Can somebody clarify? It doesn't make sense.