OBEler

@justfortoday there is a going back. I know some people who lived in non duality since birth, also some had non duality many times, still they go back and live in duality like everyone else, they even forgot about it. And even if there is no going back, it must be very worth it for what I read so far. But this is just a concept for me, I only will know if I experience for myself. Wonder me if there is a soft introduction into non duality, where you will not be so shocked

@Bulgarianspirit Ok got it, great explanation Man I must experience god. This is fucking amazing!

@Bulgarianspirit If god is imagine this room and every table and atom in it, you dont need a conscious being with eyes who look at it so that it exist. Am I right? So if a person left the room and all conscious beings like plants, bacterias and so on left the room, the room would still exist because god is aware of the room. This room does not exist for the human but for god. Am I right? please clarify if you are speaking from god or human perspective, otherwise it is difficult to understand from which perspective you are talking about. I know that human = god in limited form. Just this whole topic is very confusing

@Javfly33 what need to happen that other person exist? They need to exist NOW if I as a human being am not conscious of them NOW but they exist right NOW therefore they exist right NOW.

@Bulgarianspirit Thank you, this makes this thread much more understandable, some people here talk very solipsistic. So if there is a room and in this room is a plant, a table and a human being and the human looks at the wall, is the table still existing at the same time in this room? Or do the plant and the human need to look at the table so that this table comes into existence? But god is also experiencing the table simultaneously,so this table must exist independend if the human or plant sense it in anyway. Am I right?

I think this guy will be as hardcore good in spirituality as in bodybuilding He has not built up an spiritual ego as far as I can see This man has potential

@Mihael Keehl Wow AL-LAD is rare these days. Thanks for your report. AL-LAD is my favorit psychedelicum but every second time I get a big hangover the next days (headache, confusion) I am also a big fan of combining yoga with psychedelics. What yoga exercises do you like to do? I like the bridge

@Nirvanalight no demonic posession is just a Story of your ego. Dont over think about it

@Michael569 No I am just guessing. This will be a provocation test. After this you can see on which metal you are toxified, but the results can be put into question because there are weak references. Thanks for the book tip, I will check it out

@Girzo lol why you want to know how much mg you take? That doesnt matter at all when you take cups. Calculate in cups instead of mg. Example: 3 cups low dose, 4 to 6 cups mid dose, 7 cups+ full dose Yeah there May be a little Range the more cups you take, maybe 1 to 3 mg difference on 7 cups. So what?

Lol no you should not do push harder, the opposite you must do. These bilateral shaking movements can only come on their own when you do NOTHING (If I get martin ball right here)

You get we wrong. All I said, if you dont know the substance, you will not have a memory about it and taking it in astral realm will not work. Still it can trigger a mystical experience. This mystical experience doesnt need to be experienced before Yes if you are very advanced, nothing other I said too. I just pointed at the practical problems, but nothing to overcome. And of course place is important. You need to be at the place where psychedelica lies in front of you. Good luck to anyone here on forum, from my own experience it is total possible. Invest time and do it. I wait for your astral trip reports (I still believe no one is patient here on this forum to do this)

@GreenWoods That is right, they have the same quality. I experienced a near death experience in one OBE. Dream psychedelics will work, but different as I say. It is like a flashback Remember, this whole astral realm is created by your mind. And if you have no memory about a substance, you will not experience anything If you take 1 g 5 meo dmt on astral, but just had tried 10 mg maximum in real life, you will just get the 10 mg experience and even that will be quite different but can lead to the same place in the end (ego death). Still there are practical problems: 1. you have just a few seconds / minutes in astral realm, 2. sometimes you are not in your room but somewhere else 3. even if you are in your room, you could be blind. You can walk/fly but seing things is always a problem 4. So even when you are out of body in your room, and you can see things and there is also 5 meo dmt in the near and have enough time to take it, this experience can be so distorted that it is not really close to the real experience. But try it out for yourself. You need to train almost every night to go out of body, this can take you weeks to months. Very vew people can do this. Therefore I can say, almost noone in this forum can do this stuff (I could do it with a lot of training), You need to invest at least 100 hours if you are a normal person

@GreenWoods No of course you can have mystical experiences, because you are in a different Stare of consciousness in astral realm. But this Trip is created from your memory. It can lead to mystical experiences. But doesnt have to In real life remember some beatutiful Moment or your last 5 meo dmt Trip also can lead to mystical experiences. Quite mundane. It sounds so fancy how you write about. You dont need to astral project to do this

again, taking psychedelic in dream is something complete differnt than in real life. You cannot compare It is like eating a Cheeseburger in astral realm something complete different than Real life. It is not the same. You get an experience from your memory how this Cheeseburger should Taste. And that is heavy distorted You dont know what you are taking about

To be clear, no one in this forum will ever fulfill even one point of this list And Yeah taking drugs on astral realm will not be the same as in "real life". It will just be a memory how it should be, you are not really trippin there. this can lead to ego death. But that is not the substance in astral realm but because your own mind is doing its thing

@GreenWoods Yeah good list, all is somehow possible. But as a normal human being it is easier to be enlightened than doing These stuff You need to spend nights for years for Training. Better Do other spiritual stuff

@Chris365 Ah a brave 5 Meo plugger. Welcome to the round! Can you tell what effects you got on which dose? That would be interesting to see. 30 mg and no ego death, that is special. Did you already have ego death experience before on other psychedelics?

@Javfly33 I jdont know what truth is. Therefore truth is too abstract for me to desire. I just care for energy and love. And if this will change my reality so let it be

@Javfly33 because it is a possibility. I am doing this to experience divine energy and love.

@Meta-Man Just in case I go to insanity and mental hell: Yes I want that life will be normal again

hmm yeah maybe I am a little over cautious with this whole stuff. I feel ready. In the end, Iife will be normal again even if I face god/infinity/death for some minutes

@Aaron p Nope, no heart problems at all. I am in top condition. And there was almost no mentally fear. Just a cold body fear and heart beating the whole trip. Like this: bubum bubum bubum bubum BUBUM BUBUM BUBUM BUBUM BUBUM BUBUM BUBUM BUBUM BUBUM BUBUM BUBUM BUBUM BUBUM BUBUM BUBUM BUBUM BUBUM BUBUM BUBUM BUBUM BUBUM BUBUM No insights. No visuals. @Leo Gura are there some methods against this? Kola Nut powder or breathing techniques before the session or is it really a normal side effect and you can nothing do about it? This heart beating came as I said not from the mind, I was not really in panic mentally.

Yes I had similar thoughts, here on actualized we are trained for this stuff no normal human could prepare for. Before I try 15 mg, I still want to know more about the strong heart beating effects. Why does this happen, is this part of a beginning ego death experience? Can I do something aginst this so that this does not happen again or do I need to accept strong rapid heart beats as part of the trip? It was not pleasant at all

@Aaron p HAHA legit insane is not something I want to experience, but that must be the sacrifice for experience absolute love. I am just happy that plugging worked again, this is a milestone for me! There is really a narrow degree between no effects and strong effects. Now I need to think about the dosage. 10 mg and heavy heart beating. What then can I expect from 15 mg... heart explosion, ego death and absolute insanity??