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@Inliytened1 @Salvijus Ok I concede, that dog does look pretty woke.

Spot on. Also, even less so, insight is illusory, as is lack. Insight & lack are not found in sensation or perception, only as thought attachment. @VeganAwake Fear is the emotional experience of false identification. Humans, bodymind organism, animals, and tendency are all thoughts (and not perception or sensation). The projection of human emotion onto animals is justification & perpetuation of identification (“ego”). Animals don’t have egos, and do not experience emotions. No one can show you a ‘fearless bodymind organism’, because it’s a thought. You’re already directly experiencing it. The ignorance isn’t of facts or understanding, it’s ignore-ance of direct experience. The body can’t be ignorant, because body & ignorant are thoughts (parallel, not causation). Holding beliefs / not inspecting direct experience, doesn’t make anyone else anything at all. It’s the beliefs which seem to do that. Also, the evidence so to speak was already presented (monk peacefully on fire).

@SQAAD Hoping that came with feeling of relief. Hoping more it came with some realization you are a profound creator.

Yes. Well said. @Salvijus It is funny, my constant ‘plugging’ of the dreamboard. I do so though (all opinion here) because it’s about the life, the living, the creation. If there hasn’t been kensho, well then it’s obviously about that too. But, fear or not, self or not, water’s still carried, wood’s still chopped.

? Likewise. If I might… seeing through fear just the sake of seeing through fear is fine, great, no issue with it, totally get it. But… seeing through fear in conjunction with directly experiencing the manifestation of what’s on your dreamboard is ineffably, profoundly sweeter, and if I may, incredibly more efficient than the conceptual route.

Inspection of direct experience reveals ‘two things’ is the thought that there are two things, and there are not, ‘in’ perception, two things, any more than the stuff coming to mind on your trips is actual or ‘in’ direct experience. What you’re being shown (imo) is that psychedelics can be helpful but are not exclusively the way, and likewise that the (wandering) mind is a terrible master. Meditation & inspection of direct experience could be said to be an essential foundation prior to tripping, if orientation is truth. Perhaps all that’s being avoided, is the cushion.

Nope.

I was just pointing to the subtle difference (only in regard to what you wrote, to the words) of there being a self of some sort which is recognized as unreal, vs there not being or ever having been a self at all. Apparently there can be a psychological recognition that there is no separate self, and apparently this is not necessarily an end or seeing through of the experience of fear, as the fear is then deflected psychologically, and projected onto the world, creation or experience, as something natural that happens. It is often psychologically added by the ego mind in justification… “for good reason”, or even accredited to “infinite intelligence”. What you are saying is perfectly accurate. This recognition of no self can & does occur along side an upholding that there is fear. The so called ego mind justifies & rationalizes not going deeper into the direct inspection of fear & meditative settling of thought activity, and deduces that fear is a naturally occurring phenomenon, or serves in some manor like survival, etc, perpetuating the belief of a separate self surviving, while simultaneously claiming the realization of no self. This is cognitive, the activity of thought, and is not (as you so humbly & accurately pointed out), ‘awareness realization’ for lack of any term which communicates the actuality. This shed’s a clearer light on meditation, which is the same as saying (in this case) the settling of the very thought activity, which is the deflection, justification, projection and rationalization, which is fundamentally the upholding of the separate self, and thus the perpetuation of fear. Another way to say that, one could attend a “neo advaita” event, talk or gathering three times a day everyday, and while psychological clicks and ah ha’s likely ensue, this would not supplement cessation. So to speak, the way you’re going about it would be ‘right view’, and ‘right understanding’ imo. Accurate.

@thenondualtankie Just be a gentleman. Compliment her, hold the door open for her, have dinner ready by 4pm, offer to hold her cane while she gets in the car, etc.

@Consilience I think we’re saying the same thing here.

It is. The “recognition that the self is not real” still includes a self, which was recognized as not real.

No. Insight is illusory. One liberated, is illusory. Insight is illusion. Also, causation is illusory.

There could certainly appear to be that experience, sure.

That I, me & insights are illusory. State(s) is a belief, and now that you apparently believe it, conjecture. So there’s three apparent layers to see though now. Because it isn’t. Insights and the I, self, one, etc, which has them is illusory.

Insight is illusory. Still got the separate self in there, the one nothing touches. What isn’t can’t be removed. That “I”, which has the insight, which realized, is ‘the separate self’, and is illusory.

Illusion can’t cause anything. Illusion is there-isn’t-that, so there isn’t some thing, which causes some thing. Rope, snake, fear, beliefs, death, all illusory. There-isn’t-a-self can’t be credited with causing anything, nor accepting anything. It’s like saying a unicorn experiences total acceptance & total fearlessness. It’s not a matter of if a unicorn does or doesn’t. There’s no such thing as a unicorn. “if you realized you don't exist” A you doesn’t realize a you doesn’t exist.

If a thing is illusory, then there isn’t actually said thing, and what isn’t actual, or ‘there’, also can’t cause or be credited as having caused. That implies there is still a separate self. The one who remains which could be in or experience total acceptance (of whatever else).

Self-grasping and selfishness are concepts based on self or selves, which there aren’t, but appear to be. Imagine one of those snow globes that you shake up and then it snows inside, and imagine that snow globe & snow inside it is an appearance. The people inside can feel the snow landing on them, and they can also realize they are that which is appearing as the snow globe, and therefore there isn’t a snow globe with people inside.

@VeganAwake Well he’s got ya bruh. You got enough gas and a camcorder over there? Hmu if you need a hand. ??

Yes, that is crazy, as in delusional, not in any personal sense of course.

@Salvijus Enlightenment could be said to be the non-undoable realization there are no people or separate selves and never were. A realization which is only apparent, there isn’t even realization. So no person or individual becomes enlightened, or awakens. If one believes one is enlightened, awake, having awakenings, etc, that is ‘the ego’ (beliefs). For the enlightened one there are no comparisons, no enlightenment, no awakening(s), and there is no logic, these are beliefs, and truly not even (are only apparent). Meditatively, is to say these apparent thoughts simply seem to come & go, for no one. The apparent guy flipping burgers is as enlightened as the Buddha (is the enlightened one).

@johnlocke18 That there are monks & prisoners is already isolating (insanity).

@Ohsee If I hired an electrician who told me mistakes are unavoidable, honestly I’d immediately fire him. If he interpreted this as personal that’d really be his problem to work out. Not about to have a house burn down over respect / disrespect / ego.

@WokeBloke Skinny that all down to direct experience.

@RMQualtrough Not two.