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The one for whom there is a God’s will, is what illness is. I’llness.

@Mu_ Appreciate the response. ??

You can’t choose love anymore than the blind can choose to see.

Reminds me of some old & wise scriptures, of a man who was ‘lookin California, but feelin Minnesota’. Similarly, ‘thinkin Legolas, but living & feelin Icarus’. Wants to be yam I you go he says. This freakin guy.

@Yoremo Like they’re gonna end up happy and fulfilled… and you’re a bit concerned you will not, because your happiness is more tied to physicality? Specifically, in the capability sense. Seemingly contingent on physical ability, much more than the average person? And you’re a bit ‘stuck’ in that situation, for a while now…? Sorry again, but does that tug on the pain even more so to speak? Would your ideal solution be to somehow perfectly unify… the mental, physical, and emotional? Unify as in ‘how do I get these all on the same page so there’s no more tug of war anymore between them’?

@EmptyVase I don’t know. Spread the revolutionizing around. Not talking spirituality here. Work related.

@EmptyVase No I didn’t. That’d be fine though. Spread it all around really. The relevant thing is the difference. The outcome. What changes.

@Preety_India Does my disappearing act seem cool, funny, entertaining, or more like a shirking of responsibilities?

And it will revolutionize the work that you do. Not the industry per se, but how you do what you do, whatever it is you do. Actually, it will cascade too. A lot of people will change how they do the same line of work.

@Preety_India What comes to mind that I did, may have done, probably did? What responsibilities did I neglect? Who did I hurt in my self centered ness? An old gf, my wife, my parents, my kids, my friend?

@Preety_India And are they still out there carryin on as if this wasn’t even a problem, like nothin happened, thinkin highly of themself? Fooling people around them like they’re a good person, getting off Scott free?

@Preety_India Who absolutely blew it when childhood comes to mind? I mean just flat out shit the bed, totally neglected their own self created responsibilities and instead just basically did whatever their selfish assed egoic mind wanted to get short term pleasure?

@AndylizedAAY Have you tried sayin “mom, will you buy certain foods if I write them down”?

Does it feel like you see others moving forward, and maybe you aren’t as much as you would like to be? ( (Sorry) but does that activate, intensify, the heart pain when you read that? )

@Wildcattt555 The kindness in your reply, and that damn puppy picture … ya got through to me as well. God bless. ?

@Wildcattt555 I do indeed get it, and I am sincerely very sorry to hear of your loss. May they rest in the eternal unconditional peace of our being. I want to add, so to speak of course, I meditated every morning for over twenty years, ‘experienced’ cessation, and then tried psychedelics. I am not saying that is per se what I recommend, I’m just saying I do indeed get what you are saying, from a ‘place’ of direct experience, and whatever I do or don’t recommend, is just another opinion. The only teacher, the only authority ime, is our shared being, and is only found within.

Again, it’s a suggestion and nothing more. Look into the distinction between pain & suffering. As an example, pain is localized. If a doctor asked where is the pain, it can be pointed to. Suffering arises of discordant beliefs, such as “negative emotion”. For clarity, this is fundamentally all grey at the same time, and never black & white. If that sounds vague or confusing at all, then let’s say it’s 90% grey, 10% black & white, if more amicable. Maybe one day it’s all grey, in peace. It’s not really my point at all. It’s an invitation to inspect direct experience more. Nothing more than that. If what you’re doing is working, Godspeed. That’s great. I say this knowingly out of throwing range ?…. Unhealthy & unpleasant emotions is a belief, and is what aversion is. This is how the suffering is created, and is not how it is resolved. Again though, this is no more than opinion & suggestions. The info on my site is free. There is no ask. No product. The inspiration of what is shared is inseparable from the sharing of it. If it is not for you so to speak, no worries. I do wish you the best.

@Gregory1 As you wish. God bless. @roopepa That’s me reading this stuff.

I don’t find it logical or aligned, this concept of disputing opinions. Opinions are just opinions. The more the better. The bigger the variety the op may see and consider employing, the better. Life and all opinions therein appears to me as one Big buffet. Obviously not all opinions make sense. Sometimes someone recommends something which is not well being oriented. But you’d have to admit, wouldn’t you, that this place is pretty damn solid. You lost me at ‘spiritual growth’ my friend. Those are your words. That is your opinion, your assessment. Not mine. Moderators have no involvement with creating or changing protocols or guidelines on this forum. Moderators moderate, implement the guidelines. Thank you, and likewise. Appreciated. For moderators some areas are inherently grey. Then there is opinion. In the closing or not closing of threads we just basically have to ‘make a call’. My opinion is not to. I don’t care if things get ugly. Imo this leads to release and clarity. My wife jokingly nicknamed me ‘thin ice’ many years ago. She said I like to go where breakthroughs happen. Further, and this is just opinion and a dash of grand standing admittedly… if I could snap my fingers and make this world such that no one is ever excluded or isolated, I’da snapped em already. I’m doing what I can, exactly like you. I feel your care, I care too. I hope you feel that as well. @Kay100 Most of all right now, I hope you’re feelin it too.

Someone else putting in a time limit is thinking about someone else. Bring attention to the one who wouldn’t eat. What will be found is the root of the symptoms is not someone else. That one can move on. While that one’s moving on is believed to be contingent upon someone else, one experiences not moving on, but contingency. Let your folks of the hook. They were doing their best in response to your behavior. None of us are perfect my friend. One good way of inspecting imo is understanding the emotions experienced, and recognizing emotion as guidance. In regard to this, and all matters. Blame is an emotion experienced. The admittance & recognize of worry feels just a pinch better. Admittance of experiencing the emotion of doubt, even better. Noticing this leads to disappointed, is like putting down a weight you’ve been carrying, which often leads only to ending up overwhelmed, resulting in frustration & impatience. From this emotional experience, pessimism does indeed arise. And yet, boredom feels significantly better than pessimism. Bring this ? in. This is infallible. There is great love for you and your folks, and every which way therein. Perhaps the nose issue is directly related to annoyance, and perhaps annoyance is still thinking about something outside yourself, such as your parents and or food. Maybe the emotions you are experiencing are frustration, irritation, and impatience. Meditative eating. Try this ?? The Loophole Shake. Loaded with nutrients, raw foods, enzymes, etc, and I call it ‘loophole’ cause it’s actually cheaper than just about all comparative alternatives, and imo, it tastes great. For a while I made whatever I was used to eating and the shake. In the direct experience(s) of taste, energy & feeling, I was naturally no longer interested in the old food choices. And I am saying that having learned to make a steak better than any restaurant I’d ever been to. Shake tastes better, I feel better. (Loophole-ish in that way). Also takes five minutes to make, and leaves only a single cup to clean up. More time for whatever you’re interested in. FYI, I eat other stuff too. Mostly fruits, veggies, etc. Healthy snacks basically. And at the same time, I’m eating whatever I want to eat. Dude, they care. Stop applying contingency. Stop breaking their hearts and their balls. Life is too short & love is too great. Let “positions” go = moving on = healing. There is no need to change what happened. It’s only a thought now, a memory. Let it go. Change what can be changed, let go of what can not. If I were in your shoes, I’d simply apologize, and then with that weight lifted, I’d kick ass just a bit for in this life for having done so. I’d be more in communion with my parents too, which is really nice feeling. At this point, we’ve all let our positions go, and we’re all rejoicing with & celebrating within the acknowledgement of our shared Being. ? In, of and as the only ‘thing’ that matters. So what? You’re not feeling what happened my good man, you’re feeling the thoughts now, the interpretation now. Don’t be stubborn. Admit & acknowledge to yourself so to speak that there is nothing you want or desire, more than, feeling amazing. Let interpretations & positions go. Don’t strive to win, let nonsense (discordant interpretations) go and feel amazing, one ‘little bit better at a time’ (use the emotional scale). For real my man, let it go already. Listen to the body, to the symptoms. Look around you right now. The room, the stuff. Look outside. Look up at the infinite sky. See the actual picture. See the actual beauty. Breathe it in, feel it. The “real story” isn’t real at all, it’s just one interpretation. This, right now (look around), this is the real story. Your life. That matters more to you than a nonexistent past. Care more about how you feel right now than being right about a past. Imo, don’t resort to belief. Apologize for not eating. Your parents, when done crying at the exemplification of unconditional love, will highly likely do the same, and state they were just doing what any parent would do to help their child. Allow our infinite being and the true nature therein, into your home, into your heart, into your household, simple by aligning in feeling, and letting go of the discord (suffering) of stubbornness. Notice, feeling amazing is what is most desired, and no one is ‘winning’ in how you’ve been going about this. Do so and witness a miracle, that of the body rectifying the symptoms. The body is well being itself so to speak, simply apologize, feel the release, in in doing so you will see for yourself what ‘getting out of your own way’ really is. Yes - and also, not ‘just while experiencing the symptoms’… every second of every day until you simple can not handle anymore Truth. ? It is ok - it is Good - to release, to cry, to let go. To apologize, to forgive. That is what wisdom is. Be wise. It’s not placebo, it’s not irrelevant. It’s guidance. Keep ‘listening’. ?? You’re doing great btw. I know it’s not easy sometimes. But when you start allowing the guidance in, it does all get more and more effortless, and some rather amazing feelings do ensue.

@Gregory1 But you are the words that are pointing. Again, no mocking, not meant that way… who’s state(s), who’s intellect, who’s experience(s) of God, who’s intellectual understanding, who is going deeper into it? What’s “it”? How do more words (here) equate to better intellectual understanding, when all words are already you, and the context implied by the words is hearsay, which you can only believe or not - implications which do not equate to so called direct experience? These are so to speak, your words. This is an interpretation of what was said, not what was said. Again, if this route is ‘working’, as in resonating, why the mockery like “monks”? God realized, as you say, taking this at your word, who needs and wants, who is the my of my intellect? How is this seen to be a problem for a me? There is no direct experience of a problem here. Even if so, how does exclusion resolve? Comments are not intellect, nor are comments ‘made from’ intellect. Comments are comments, comments are you, and this is realized, isn’t it so? With love, and again, no shenanigans here… if you insulted, and didn’t mean to, why is that not the order of the day? Why looking toward intellectualizing instead? Who precisely is believed to be ‘bypassing intellect’? To who is intellect crucial? To who is this ‘the only thing we ever do here’? To who is there we? This is actualized.org, not intellectualized.org. After ‘returning’ Home, is not the order of the day this Celebration and the life unfolding there in?

@Gregory1 Please don’t take this in any mocking sense, but, to who? According to, who? For who?

@Gregory1 Well, how are you so sure the way you’re already going about this isn’t spiritual bypassing, and not ‘grown up’, as you say?

@Gregory1 If it’s ‘workin’… why insulting & accusing?

Weird facet of the Celebration. ?‍♂️