Nahm

They all, without exception, experience thought attachment, which is and is the perpetuation of the ‘traditions & doctrines’, which is aversion to, of, away from, the Truth. It is fear of cessation / end of the thought attachment / monkey mind, activity of thought which is ‘the separate self’. Turns out though it’s pure bliss, for no one & every one. Incredible honesty! Nice. Also, I is a thought. And that would be thought attachment, believing there is an I, and this I is or is not necessary. Meditation, emotional expression & understanding. This is opinion & suggestion, and is not any implication of making a doctrine. Only the light can ‘bring’ the light. Only the light is the light - and not a single thought about will do. ‘Profound insights’ is still thought attachment. The desire for, points to ‘the ego‘, or ‘separate self’ (which is only the activity of thought, and attachment therein).

When we sit & relax instead of using or doing something to feel better… there isn’t “something from our past faced”, there is misinterpretation expelled. Then clearer more aligned interpretation - understanding - arises. And that is the natural pleasurable feeling which is actually desired. Framing of unwanted, such as “I don’t want to do or want to quit x, y or z” doesn’t work. Discord is felt because focus is on unwanted. Framing of wanted, such as “to naturally feel fine & happy”, does work. Alignment is felt because focus is on wanted. Wanted = what feels good to you. One can focus on what does not feel good and attempt to force, manipulate, or ‘push through’, but it doesn’t actually work long term. It is what keeps one reaching for the substance short term. Connect the dots as to why witnessing hypocrisy is intensely discordant to you. And focus on what you do want, rather than on others. See that the substances are utilized for one to hang on to discordant, but identified with, misinterpretations. Sitting & relaxing, the body naturally & effortlessly lets misinterpretations go. The true liberation sought will never come from or be the result of substances, my Good, Good man. ? “When I was a child, I talked like a child, I thought like a child, I reasoned like a child. When I became a man, I put the ways of childhood behind me.” Jesus

Give daily basic meditation and using the emotional scale a try. ??

What was going on at that time? Some kind of hostility in the environment, maybe a move, a divorce, changed schools… something along those lines.

@Raphael Sleep is best. ??

To keep it simple. Are you experiencing an I which is agitated? Can you point to this I somewhere in the room? Or is there an experience of agitation?

@Terell Kirby Thanks. It’s funny how often humor goes unnoticed.

@Raphael Right now, when you acknowledge that agitation leads to pessimistic thoughts, do you feel a very slight relief? The relief would be from sincerely acknowledging & expressing this. That ‘expression’ could be literally as simple as, “yeah, it does, and yeah, I do experience pessimism / pessimistic thoughts”. (Careful not to overthink expression. Keep it as simple, easy, and effortless as possible) Put slightly differently, it feels better to experience pessimism (thoughts that some things might not work out) than it does to feel the more immediate bodily discord, of agitation… yes?

@Raphael Right now the direct experience is of agitation. Right now there is no direct experience of a you, which is agitated. Do you see this to be true, right now, of your direct experience?

@Terell Kirby Well let me kiss the fam goodbye before you ‘shut off the mind of God’. Gimmy like ten minutes.

@Raphael I’m not talking about concepts about your life, or anything that ever happened. I am talking about right now, and only right now. Do you understand this?

As it wasn’t said, yet seems so, it is a conceptualization of what was said. There isn’t per se a mind which can be shut off, that is also a concept. (When direct experience is inspected all narratives are dispelled.) Embodiment, conscious effort, and courage… upon cessation… are ‘reality seen as it is’, conceptualizations. That someone could embody concepts, or that somebody is against concepts, would be more conceptualization. Godspeed. ??

That would be an inclination, or thoughts about things not working out for you. That is pessimism. (Ego is a thought. Ego is one, thought. There is not an ego which has thoughts.) If you are experiencing suicidal thoughts, it is (imo) best to contact a specialist as soon as possible. Boredom is experienced now, or not at all, isn’t it so? ”A lot in my life” is a thought, yes? That is not a feeling, that is a thought, yes? That is also not a feeling, but a thought, yes?

Ever experience knowing you have stuff you want to do, and knowing & feeling you have the energy to do it, but yet not having the focus or inspiration and thus, not doing any of it?

When direct experience is inspected all narratives are dispelled. Otherwise it is just preference. Some would rather conceptualize (fear, deception, embodiment, states, form-identity, ego’s protection & survival, getting better at integrating, imaginary stuff, falsehood, conscious effort, prevention, etc). Some prefer to meditate each morning and express frustration, and then pessimism, boredom, and contentment. It could be said there is some truth in the former taking between years and a lifetime, and the latter taking a few minutes until there is no longer even a need to do so.

@Raphael My opinion is agitation doesn’t have anything to do with spiral dynamics, enlightenment or insanity, but only understanding your actual experience. Is there also an inclination that things might not work out for you, as in might not go the way you’d like?

@Raphael Oh yes it matters very much, very important. Nope, doesn’t matter at all really.

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@Vibroverse Same for dreaming. Great pointer, lousy assumption.

@Vibroverse You don’t really dream. That’s impossible. Maybe you’ve taken a pointing as true and incorporated it now as an assumption.

@Rahul 2paradox When did the stuttering first start? What is the memory which naturally came to mind when you read that question? How old were you then?

@RMQualtrough That research is limited by and is a dualistic interpretation. It’s an opinion.

@AlwaysJoggin Best question ever.

@Preety_India Question just how authentic anxiety & social anxiety is, and inspect your belief in assertion to it’s ultimate end. It is, so to speak ‘rotten inside’, and yet it is you who is ‘keeping up appearances’. It’s not about mum, at all. Mum’s are just for loving. Also, you’re using ‘appearances’ when ‘illusions’ is far more accurate.

@Preety_India There is no assertion. Who cares about any of this. Obviously liberation from anxiety is what’s relevant. You could find as many reasons for getting along as you are for not getting along.