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@Mindfang413 Strikes me as jumbled perspectives. Try writing on paper, the questions in two columns, one as if I am asking these questions about consciousness, and, second as if consciousness was asking these questions about itself. Write down the answers that come up, and also pause to see if any more arise too.

Sounds sarcastic at first I’m assuming, but “it’s” not a circle. Shape & degrees are a thought. It’s infinity we’re pointing at. There’s no “done”. Enlightenment is knowing one is infinity. It feels “done” at that point. Relatively speaking, I totally ‘fell for it’. “Full circle” is just a pointer for perspectives, that there is more. Infinity, more.

@Endangered-EGO Sit in it a bit longer. Thoughts go, yes. Feeling arises too. Sit in it a bit longer. If difficult, then write about those feelings which arose. Being “says” nothing in silence, what could be added to perfection? What needs be said? Nothing at all. What wants to be created? Some would say, that is the very voice of silence, arising in you, creation, creator, creating.

@Inliytened1 Infinity.

@ElvisN If there was some miscommunication, to be clear, learning is great. Read books. Read that book. Not a word in them is true about you. Kind of a, Both. I love you Elvis! Of course, I’m picturing Elvis Presley, but I love you too. If that’s you’re real name, freakin sweet.

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@Endangered-EGO Have a peak at the sneakiness of thought. Own it, so to speak. How much of that is going on, now? What does the silence tell you about this?

@PenguinPablo Yay. For. You. Attachment to attachment is a slippery slope, and I think you glimpsed that now. Feel the feeling, notice tendency to ‘go into a thought story’ in avoidance of the feeling. Let the feeling run through you, and purify.

@Aaron p Nice. What ever happened to...fun.

Btw, it will certainly be addressed in what I recommended, both in the direct experience of choosing what you yourself want, and reading the recommended book. In noticing the resistant thoughts, and inspecting them, writing about feelings, using the emotional scale...the understanding you are wanting directly arises.

@Martin123 See your spin there? I don’t “feel accused”, I refer to what you’ve written here on this thread. You don’t see the very “elitism” present in your words? Your “ruling stands”, that I should message you for clarity..?

@Martin123 You’re implication is that I am irresponsible, that “I” am dragging you into an argument - which you are actually instigating yourself, in your rather than commenting, commenting on how my comment should be, in accordance with “your ruling still standing”. You are not “wishing me all the best”, you’re making many accusations against me.

That’s just your idea of it, personified onto me, judgement. What I suggest, is precisely, and only, what I suggested. There’s no such “promise”. You’re projecting this onto what was said again. That’s your idea of this, not what I said. That “devalues”, is your perspective. That I’m deceiving anyone, is your perspective too. That’s also coming from you but you’re not realizing it. I’ve neither mentioned nor encouraged anything like that at all. You don’t have to judge people like this. You yourself can transcend it, by inspecting it. That is the self. The distinction you’re making, are yours. You truly don’t see your story at play here? Your story about me? You’re adding so much to what I said, and missing you’re doing what I explained right now.

@ElvisN No worries. It’s just a thread, and suggestions. There are no “sides”.

Try listening to that...but not making it about me. Much clarity arises.

Well it’s analogy for what is true, yeah. When you rephrase in alignment with your own feelings... ”That eases my fears but is it true” simply becomes, “that feels Good”. Truth, is the best feeling “thing” possible. So great feeling, it is unimaginable. Simply listen to your feelings, “follow” that “path”. That’s the beauty of it. It’s up to you. Notice, you are aware of thought, and you are aware of feeling. Clearly, you are already awareness, which is aware of these...transcendent of these, yet, inclusive of these. You can ‘hang on to a thought’, and you can choose a better feeling thought. You’re a creator. You’re creating your experience.

Then stop choosing to think about it. Do something that you enjoy instead. That is very much more “the path”. Yep. Do the practices, and do stuff you actually enjoy. Make a dream board filled with it. Let go of any thought which doesn’t eel good to you, no matter what it’s about. Allow the healing. It will rise, like a cork underwater which one lets go of. Just relax and allow. That’s great advice. Recognize, letting it go, means it has been let go. No “need” for satisfaction of a “problem” which doesn’t exist in your mind because you, let it go. Practices, writing about feeling now, these are ways of letting go too. It’s all about allowing the healing. Then, the rumination is a thing of the past, and everything on your dream board is your future. When a resistant thought arises, it is so much more noticeable, and the art of letting go is priceless. You can’t hold a problem and solution at the same time. Consciousness is creation, and as such, it “just doesn’t work that way”, no matter how much we fight it. That’s the rumination. A habit of ol. Practices, writing about feelings in the present, understanding emotions, dream board & creating your life. Only follow this “advice” btw, if it resonates, if what you want, feels good to you. “How do I reconcile endless suffering” = “How do I experience a different movie...while I keep watching this one”

The enjoyment is not in the beliefs, it’s feeling itself. Less thought story, is more great feeling. You’re feeling good about yourself, yourself is “itself” the greatest possible feeling. A thought about, is just that...a thought. Consider a tablet which “enjoys” the “good feeling” (which is wifi). It enjoys “it’s wifi”. Then one day it realizes the wifi does not “belong to” the tablet...but that the tablet, and all that is, is The Wifi. Then, the tablet is swimming in, breathing in, Love. (“Wifi” / ItSelf)

@PenguinPablo This all supports the very story about you which feels terrible. Let go of the story building, and begin the one thought at a time, and how it resonates or doesn’t, with feeling. You are there. Not in a story about you, or who you are. Start a dream board, fill it with everything you want in life. Notice thought which arises resistant to all that you want, and inspect the thought. Use the emotional scale. Get creating this actual story, your life. In truth, you’ve always been creating it. This is more becoming aware that you are doing so. Read up, to fill gaps in understanding, such as The Six Pillar Of Self Esteem.

There is no you. When a thought which doesn’t feel good arises, inspect it. Read up on deflection, projection, and personification. This will bring about some delicious purification / healing / insights (love). Make a dream board. You’re experiencing precisely what you’re focused on. Pull your write off out of your way. Starting focusing on what you want. More of what you want will arise in you. What you want = what feels good to you. Self actualization is the greatest feeling possible...get pointed in that direction. Just like if you want to go to a specific store, you get there by going. That’s just you judging them, which is keeping “the idea of you” going.

@Jo96 Read about The Buddha, and his understanding of pain vs suffering. What you’re doing is ruminating. That is suffering.

“Positive” is in feeling actually, rather than in the thought ‘ description. It the perspective or thought feels Good, it is Good. Seeing anything as good feeling, is recognition of “what is”, of our infinite Being. Preference is not judgement, it is creation. It is literally how your story unfolds, and how the entire human story unfolds. Right under our noses, we are all creators in this together, and all The One, dreaming within Itself. And again, it is Good. Yes, that “you” is the judgement / separation component. Flip the script.... Loving people is Good, understanding anger is Love, is Good, earning one’s way honestly, is Good, Happiness free of attachment to things or money, is Good. This is also described as recognizing the resistant feeling of a thought, spotting the judgement or falsity, and choosing the better feeling thought, the one that feels good to you. Btw, fill a dream board with these thoughts, and your reality does indeed become this. It is too Good to believe, one must experience this directly. The very same reality which will unfold as such, is what is saying this to you now (“me”) Right, you got where I’m coming from there. It’s all about the relationship between feeling & thought. After some time, some beliefs are kicked up, some purification transpires....after some time, there’s only positive / good feeling thoughts arising. You’ll reach a point where you literally have to remember the mental situation one can be in, because witnessing the choosing of a thought which does not feel good, becomes an experience to you (when you see someone do this) that seem very, obvious. Like seeing someone cutting their own finger off, it leaves you baffled...like...why the heck are you doing that right now? The answer, is they are not consciously present right now, they’re “in” a thought story, trying to resolve beliefs about themself, and the world. But they don’t need to. Back then, that was actually happening so to speak, and to intervene was present Now with that situation. Now, as it’s just a thought, that thought, is judge mental of them for their ignorance. Might seem like it feels bad now, because of things which transpired then. But now is just that, now. A squeaky clean fresh start, always, perpetual spontaneous now, always free. If you are “bringing” the baggage of the past into this pure potential now...it’s not going to feel good. Forgive. Imo, that is the most powerful word in our language. Forgive them for their ignorance. “They know not what they do”. It is precisely in that sentiment that Jesus, even hanging on the cross, was in the perfect peace of God. Remember, just prior to that, he thought God forgot about him - but he realized he had forgot about God. In forgiving them, he loved them, and forgave them of ignorance. You are innocent....and they are too. The body is infinite intelligence. It will purify itself. When I think “there even is evil to begin with”, I am judging myself, someone else, or “the world” / reality. It doesn’t feel Good, because the Truth is I Am That Goodness. It is me. Judgement, is simply me denying myself (as “other”, or “reality”). Crying is Golden in my book! Who would’ve ever guessed? Lol Rather than considering if anger is “evil”...question “do I even believe in evil?” This helps us see that we are actually, judging our self. Anger, is, in the most absolute literal sense, God. It sounds like there’s a lot of expressing & healing transpiring in the relationship, and that is wonderful to hear. There is also much to be said for me healing...her healing...and sharing the love which shines through in healing....with each other. My wife and I have a “rule” which sounds odd at first....we never, ever, apologize to each other. We realized there were these little cycles, of letting the other one have it, and later realizing “it was just my own shit going on there”. When you take away the ability to apologize later, things start clicking now. Overtime...this sort of “forces” one, to forgive one’s self, of what keeps “coming up”, and “coming out”, as anger. The aim is perfect clarity, that it never has anything to do with the spouse, only one’s self. Specifically...ones right now relationship....experience....of: thought, feeling, & source.

@4201 Awesome. Perhaps think of the term The Cosmic Joke. It might help if you seem to only be recalling the set up. Pretty sweet punchline. That joke is best when recalling it in it’s entirety.

She speaks the truth.

@4201 What about the “he goes away and works on what he has seen” part? I wonder if that there’s nothing to know is getting contextualized in hindsight as understanding everything. It could be that you’re thinking the trips added something which felt great, and in a way they do, but a case could be made that it’s what they take away which is desired. In short, and in part, overthinking is ‘taken away’. Thought & feeling alignment can be very effective for the permanent ‘taking away’ of the monkey mind. That which they take away, beliefs, perspectives, paradigm locks, etc...inspection, healing, and practices also “take away”. All the wonderfulness experienced on the trips, any way you slice it, is you. You are the Goodness which is the Goodness. Just some layers to let go. With regards to the gurus & psych’s...who cares about their relative stories, their path, their way. Listen more intently to that which all of them are in perfect agreement upon. Hear more where or who they are right now. That is the same. Where they came from, what they did or didn’t experience, never happened anyways.