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Say it is and it is so. ? someone here? ?

How many points of view are there in that scenario, really?

@RoerAmit Might want to see a doctor about the pain. I’d say it’s pretty natural, and yes body awareness imo is super important. You can become so aware of the body that you realize even the impulsive nature of sex drive / testosterone etc comes and goes, and then you are are no longer moved by it.

The ‘issue’ is the neglect you mentioned, not ‘this other thing’ “spirituality”. If I wanted a hamburger, would you suggest I focus on a hamburger, or an ego? If I wanted to feel my absolute best, what would I focus on? Becoming attached to outcome and therefore less driven to achieve goals also does you no good if your basic needs are not met. It is difficult from that perspective of need. That perspective is about yourself, not the ‘things’. More accurately, you want to have sex, relationships, and income. ‘Listen’ to the feeling which is the wanting, the desire. Enjoy the desire, wether you have the things or not. That is the real fun, the aliveness. A dreamboard, because a dream is the only possible situation in which there is wanting. ? If your perspective doesn’t feel good, let it go in meditation. If you no longer want to experience perspectives that don’t feel good, meditate each morning, first thing. Perspective is one liquid, not little individual solids. “Be like water my friend”. - Bruce Lee It’s because you hold the belief they’re at lower stages of development than “you”. Without that belief in your superiority, they’re exactly the same as you, in that we can all hold beliefs & judge. Without judging “them”, there is no “you”, judging them, there is no You. “It is a man's own mind, not his enemy or foe, that lures him to evil ways.” ― Siddhārtha Gautama

Would you hold your hand on a hot stove? For the direct experience.

Being more engaged with life contributes to feeling great, and you might think of awakening as the greatest feeling. Yes you’d probably do what you want to do, but also, you are already doing what you want to do. I think it would be good to hear what you don’t want to hear but are looking to hear, which is that you have more than enough time for everything you want to do, create and accomplish, and continuing to make a this or that situation out of the concepts of life purpose & awakening is not doing, creating, or accomplishing anything.

@preventingdiabetes Imo those practices serve your life purpose perfectly, and I think you’ll see a deeper and deeper degree of how, from actively creating and pursing your life purpose along side them, as you go. Imagine the enthusiasm and energy of a basketball player who is practicing like....maybe...there might be...somehow ...spontaneously...a game day...? Vs the heart & vision of the player who’s mid-season and practicing for the game this weekend. Two different levels of engagement and inspiration. One’s not really headed anywhere and the latter is the guy in your picture. If they do seem in competition time wise, take a minute and write out your schedule on one side of a blank piece of paper. I’m confident you’ll see there’s time for everything, and seeing it in front of you like that can bring about a shift in perspective & inspiration.

Heck no, but more importantly how could, would or should such a thing be up to someone else? It’s really up to you. I can’t think of any reason you wouldn’t live the life you most desire to. I can see where attachment to thoughts & things might be worth slowing down for now & again, but desire, excitement, enthusiasm, passion, these are beyond thoughts & things. The best of this place is not of this place at all really, it’s what you make with it. I’m at a loss to name something more enlightening for you to be doing than discovering yourself while creating the life you most want. That’d include fully understanding & expressing yourself as you go. It’d be so fast In fact, that it’s already well underway. You’ve already experienced enough to know what you want next, and the next opportunity to consciously create it, is already now.

@preventingdiabetes How is life purpose a distraction from enlightenment?

@preventingdiabetes If you want an awakening experience, in the sense it is fleeting, psychedelics are best. If you want awakening that is lasting, life purpose is actually the fastest route.

Totally possible. I experimented with these methods and found the ‘pee muscle’ thing not only works, but the cumulative awareness / heightened connection with that muscle results in eventually not needing to utilize it to experience the same result. It gets realized to be a “mind over matter” thing and was the whole time. Then, oddly, or perhaps counterintuitively, that leads to having as many organs as you want. I don’t know if that was from the muscle building aspect of it, or the awareness / connective aspect, or both. I would say it is a ‘healthy / secure’ thing. Can make for a healthier, as in more robust sex life, and I suppose most guys aren’t really looking into or practicing this, so there could be something to be said for a relationship being more ‘secure’ in that sense. Maybe in the manor of, well fed cats don’t tend to be looking for new places to eat.

So you’re believing that I am. When you say ‘you are saying’ it isn’t what I’m saying it’s still what you’re saying that I’m saying. If you think about it, there is never a call for telling someone what they are saying. Sounds finicky & pedantic, but the path is that of deeper into subtly and nuance. Little kids play with big blocks, older kids play with legos. (Meant as an example not a personal implication) Nuance isn’t tedium, it’s organic. It’s relatively important to this convo because I already answered what you are asking. Just subtract what you’re saying I said. Same thing. Already answered. Slow down when you read it. Read it ten times if need be. (If ya want to) Be mindful not to add to it. (If ya want to) Experience does not equal Truth. That’s the kind of distinction Christianity (in large part) sells, which 5meo clears up. But you don’t need either, and you can notice, you are still ‘lumping me in’ with Leo, in the 5meo manor. That axe to grind elsewhere is more clouding here. You’re confusing yourself with the lumping, the telling me what I said, and the thinking / expressing in double negatives. You could cut your workload by like 50% in terms of energy. Maybe 60%. 90, even. (100 actually.) Classic ‘othering’ here. That’s when you objectify people who don’t see things like you by labelling them. It a subtle way to ignore & remain superior. I had a protein shake today, does that make me a Shakist, a Shaktian? Christianity, 5meo...either, neither, and both are workable path options. I’m not sure the term direct experience has really ‘clicked’ for you yet. If you were radially honest you wouldn’t be believing in trust. Right...cause you can only pick one. Choose wisely I guess.

Worth noting - nothing was, or is, or could or would ever be - “wrong with you”. It’s possible that ‘trying to fix myself like mad’, is the avoiding of feeling, as in the body releasing and understanding arising. Simply in being mindful, aware, of perspectives and how they feel, you can recognize some habits in terms of perspectives of blowing things out of proportion. That can be a real energy drainer, and if one isn’t aware one is doing it, it can inadvertently be internalized as “something’s wrong with me”, which keeps the loop of this going. Inspect, notice, this is not the end, you haven’t experienced an end. So the perspective “in the end it all seems worthless”, is the projecting of a current temporary situation and or feeling, on to the whole of experience or your entire life. The reason that doesn’t perspective doesn’t feel good, is simply because it isn’t true. When this occurs, willfully choose a better feeling perspective. Even if that perspective was, “welp, this day sucked”, that is a much better feeling perspective than “in the end it all seems worthless”. But of course, don’t settle for “this day sucked”. Reach for an even better feeling perspective. Maybe take five minutes every morning and every night, to write down three things you are thankful for from that day, and three things you’re looking forward to the next day (tomorrow). Simple things, because it’s not really about the things - it’s about changing the perspectives & momentum of how you feel. That HUGE! Congrats! Look to win the inner monologue game by reaching for that better feeling perspective. Choose to experience this as a fun hobby / pastime, a game which can be played 24 / 7, the incentive & reward of which, is the better feeling...feeling. If you do, some emotions will bubble up, be sure to breath, feel & focus on seeing & hearing...essentially, anything other than focusing on the thought story of it. The more emotion released from the body, the easier it is to ‘reach’ to those better feeling perspectives. Momentum builds, to the tune that you won’t have to do the reaching. Really great feeling perspectives will become the default. When you ‘win’ that inner game, which you have 100% control of...you will find that the ‘outer world’ begins to change in equal measure. Again, mindset of fun, light, even...excitement to see this happen for realz in your life. But again - keep ‘the point’ to feeling good, in and of itself. Careful not to build expectations of feeling better in a future. Feeling isn’t ever in a future. Feeling is now, and always now. You only have to ever ‘win’, this one single moment, now. There is some momentum in the direction of discord. That is, the focusing on of perspectives which don’t feel good to you. That led to the ‘blowing things out of proportion’, and the internalizing of the feeling as being about yourself, aka, the ‘something’s wrong with me’ mindset (which is the same as the ‘I need to be improved’ perspective). Behaviors can be changed, and you are. Perspectives can be changed, and you are. Circumstances in life can be changed, and you are. But you - you can not be improved upon, because you are already perfect. When you feel resistance / discord / not good - look to the perspective, and change it. If you don’t, you end up creating beliefs about yourself, to make some logical sense of why you feel that way, and you end up believing it’s because of “who you are”...and then you believe “something’s wrong with you”...and then you believe “you can improve yourself”. But ya can’t, cause you’re literally totally fucking awesome. It was the perspectives that led ya to deriving ‘hopeless’, and ‘why I deserve this’...and it is feeling, and being more flexible in letting perspectives which do not serve you go - which will lead you right out of hopeless. As you mentioned, you’ve been doing a lot for the well being of the body & mind. Feel good about that! Also recognize this can make you more aware of things like you mentioned at work. But it’s tricky, in the sense it is not actually because of work, boss, etc. It’s (how you feel) the perspectives. They resonate / feel good, or they don’t. If you had a mantra for this change in momentum, I would think it would be willingness. The willingness to let go of perspectives that don’t feel good is paramount...and it is also effortless. Matter of fact, you’re going to be experiencing a lot less effort, and a lot more good feeling energy & clarity, the more not-good-feeling-perspectives you let go of when the arise. It is likely that as you do, there will be days where some memories & emotional misunderstanding from the relationships of your younger years comes up. Be most careful not to ignore or suppress the feeling when this occurs, and also not to ‘latch on’ to the thoughts when this occurs. Just breathe on purpose from your stomach, relaxing the body over and over. Look around where you’re at, look at specific items, colors, etc. Remain present. As you do, you’re going to experience a freaking awesome shift from fear - to realizations the only thing you were ever actually fearing - was feeling, and then you’re going to crush this life you-style.

When you are referring to a ‘you’ as identification with a thought that believe it knows, you are attributing believing to a thought, but a belief is simply a thought you’ve been repeating. You would actually be identifying, with the thought, that there are thoughts, which believe or know. The spaghetti monster also never was. So it would sound a bit odd to keep talking about it, only to be make the point that it never was, to the spaghetti monster, which isn’t. You’re still projecting that onto nothing. If it’s yours, as in, ‘where you’re at’, imo, just own it and begin inspecting it. Yes. I often blame my wife. ? jk.

There aren’t any actual things, so they don’t differ from that there aren’t any actual things. No, I do not also use names when I am not communicating. That’s really up to you. You’re speaking in double negatives, which might be a confusing the inquiry. Example?

I mean, yeah, but there’s just no need to say such things about anyone. It’s as if you recognized it’s projection, but nonetheless are saying “oh well!”. There is some ‘truth’ to ‘lessons’ reoccurring until we acquiesce, but I digress. Honestly, this seems like justifying things you’ve said that were really a projection of ill intention. ‘Stuff getting deep’ doesn’t justify anything (imo) as there isn’t any actual ‘clash’. In that regard, ‘not knowing’ and ‘knowing’ are just dualistic thoughts, which can not even simultaneously appears, and therefore there is no possibility of them clashing. I think what you might mean, is there are some kind of ‘forces‘ of ‘not knowing’ & ‘knowing’ which are clashing together in some kind of like, metaphysical existential battle or something. But that’s not really happening. “Smell someone who think they know” is all yours. The actuality of the ‘situation’ is weird. There is no defending of anyone or anything actually occurring. There is no ‘you’, as there is no separation. Yet ‘within’ this no separation’, here we are. You, me, etc, are words, language. Essentially, these are “thoughts”, and are for communication rather than identification. ‘Nahm’ is just a word. Just a thought. A name for communicating, not some actual thing. When the perspective said to be the not seeing of it is let go, ‘it’ is ‘seen’. Amen! Never even had it. ? In the sentiment of being helpful, offering clarity...what was stated there prior to the word view is accurate. That you are seeing it / categorizing it / taking it to be a view is in a way, appropriate. If they suggest something, and that something is not recognized for what it is, then it is, from your perspective, their view. However, I would suggest it is the finger, and points to direct experience. Not a view on direct experience, but is the actuality of direct experience. Words / thoughts get circular ‘here’, only direct experience or in this case the ‘seeing’ what “direct experience” points to, would ‘do’. Same thing applies. Whatever anyone says about reality is, and can only be, interpreted as their belief or view, until the moon of it is directly recognized by the one hearing what the other is saying. I think calling it a belief ‘system’ is going too far, given that both Leo and Rupert clearly articulate the finger & moon situation. Imo, a belief system is more dogmatic, or religious, in the sense “you must adopt our beliefs to be a member of our organization / so you don’t go to hell when you die for all eternity, yada yada”. I would go so far as to say (and this is just opinion) that Leo & Rupert are arguably the front runners of the entire population in being the messengers (if you will) of Truth, and the seeing through the numerous belief systems already quite rampantly underway, and largely (and arguably) destroying all of our well being, and not to mention this planet relative to humans continuing to ‘exist’ on it. You might say, they have dedicated their life to being the very message. That there is nothing there, language & semantics aside, is about as true of a pointer as language can point. I can not in the literal sense, ‘know’ if, on their behalf, this is an assumption or not. If however, someone were to devise a means of this being seen with certainty, as to wether or not this is an assumption on their behalf...and I was offered the opportunity to place a bet on the outcome being that it is not an assumption of their behalf at all, I would indeed bet everything thing I have, so to speak. In short, they know what they’re talking about, it is not a belief or belief system, and it is not an assumption. The ‘assumption’ actually, is that there is something there. You’d have to take special care to note you can never actually know of someone’s assumptions, only your own (or not). The Truth can not be put into words, as it already is. The ‘truth of 5meo’, likewise, is a matter of direct experience. Just like if I said “Dodd’s, you gotta try a pumpkin spice latte from Starbucks - it delicious!”, and you’re like “nah, not me kinda beverage”...you can notice the difference between direct experience or not. Tasting it would be direct experience, thinking about how it tastes and mistaking that for the direct experience of it, would be mistaking the thought about it, for the actuality of it. (Of the taste, in this analogy) Btw...5meo & a pumpkin spice latte could be a pretty sweet day. Almond milk & stevia of course. ? Not necessarily. That is deducible with logic. If I were to say “there is this thing (X) outside of awareness”, you could simply ask if I was aware of X. If there is something outside of awareness, there would have to be awareness of that very thing. “Fools” is a funny term. There was a time I knew a lot about quantum mechanics, like, a lot. I also saw Richard Dawkins as someone who was forthright and had his science & facts straight, more so than others in his field. I was a fool! Then later down the path, ‘I saw’ what they are, and what they were talking about actually is....and now I am a drunken fool! Fool circle?! Idk, lol. Aside, Richard Dawkins seems to be a stand up guy who does solid work. I would really, like super really love to talk with him on Skype. That can be a very tricky nuanced ‘place’ there. Consciousness as a word or pointer is synonymous and interchangeable with awareness. So the same example from above (with awareness) also applies, and can be logically utilized to see that there couldn’t be a thing outside of consciousness. A materialist (in this context) is someone telling you physical objects & the separation of them, is actual, as in, most fundamental. They might hold this belief to the degree that they are being honest in telling you this, but only because they are yet to inspect their own belief. People can be honest & tell a lie at the same time, when they don’t realize they’re doing so. The intuition however, is per se, not like a person. We each have one, so to speak, and wether to listen to it, dive into it, or not, is a one-off / up to each situation. So, “outside of consciousness is something we will never know” is in fact not a “true” statement, as a pointer. It is an assumption that there is an “outside of consciousness”, and further that there is “something” outside of consciousness. But again, whatever that could be said to be, can only be said to be, if one is conscious of it, so to speak. That makes it therefore not “outside of consciousness”. I fully agree with the sentiment of not assuming neither something or nothing, but I do not agree that is ‘the end of it’. It is a logical realization via detachment from ‘one’s own’ thoughts & opinions, but, I strongly suggest finding out, to the degree of absolute satisfaction.

There’s not something for a me to get. ‘That’d’ still be me. Yet again, “egoic love” is your construct, your offering - you’re saying this, not anyone else. You’re are again using semantics of seemingly non-individual implication and still missing that you are saying it, to a ‘me’. If there is such a thing or event or experience as ‘satisfying it’s specialness requirement’, it (evidenced plainly by that you are saying it) is coming from you. Had you asked, rather than accused / implied, I’d have said “egoic love” is a sort of misnomer / misunderstanding. But again, you aren’t really looking to contributing, nor are you asking and leaving room for reply, just making accusations and still projecting. Kind of a ‘dead horse’ at this point imo. “It” is not actually an “it”. “It” is just a passing perspective about ‘Nahm’. Nothing really matters indeed! I disagree. I think an approach of ‘taking it head on’ would be indicative of more of the same suffering that leads you to believe there is something to fight, or some adversary or spiritual ego that could be taken head on. I think if one takes ownership of their attitude, their intentions, what they say, and inspects & understandings any feelings in experience, it is not hard or tough to ‘crumble the cookie’. In a way that cookie is always just crumbling itself, and to make an adversary of it is futile. That is interesting. Were I to attempt to define myself, I don’t think I would have limited to that. Idk though. I think you mean reign, but otherwise I agree. Inspiration is divine.

I was just referring to this comment below. Well, I wouldn’t say I’m not open to the possibility, only that it would still be me. Fair enough, and yes, I know. Also...maybe...it doesn’t need to be typed on a forum though.

Yet again, no worries man. There isn’t actually a ‘problem’, surely you notice the discrepancy. You’re saying ‘it’s not personal’...and yet articulating a view that is a verbal finger pointing (and also actually naming Mu) that there are individuals. You’re clearly using the semantics of “awakening has simply not occurred “there” as a sort of ‘fill-in’ to mask yourself from the seeing of what you yourself are actually saying about someone else, ‘relative’ to you. It is possible that you genuinely don’t know or don’t recognize that you are not offering anything constructive or of substance conversationally speaking, but are projecting onto ‘individuals’ and making accusations against ‘them’. What you are expressing amounts only to your opinion. If you are interested in seeing this, this here is about as good of an example as any... “All you have done is adopted someone else's beliefs, identified with the thought that these are the end-all-be-all (TRUTH).” These thoughts, or, perspectives are actually occurring to ‘you’. Indicative of the op, ‘you’ don’t actually have a clue what anyone else is or isn’t believing, is or isn’t identified with. Again, notice the direct experience if you will. These are your beliefs, your thoughts, your perspectives...about someone else. There is no ‘true thought’, or ‘righteous / true perspective’. So to speak, each of us is in the position to ‘buy into’ these arising thoughts and accuse, or not. What you’re saying has literally nothing to do with that which you believe you are saying it about. If you have something to express about a topic, something to contribute or rebuke, you are totally free to do so. But you are not, at least presently. You’re attacking & insinuating on the level of reputation perhaps, or character.

Still talking about an apparent me. You’ve made mention more than once that I am trying to ‘discredit you’ in some way. I think a certain out pouring of that is present today as a projection onto me, in that I am not fit to help any one etc. I wonder if you realize this is just ‘your’...just one, opinion, of ‘someone else’ who truly does not exist as the individual you are painting. In consideration of direct experience, as more substantial than opinion, you don’t actually know the first thing about the reiki sessions ‘I ‘do’ & what transpires, nor of the Skype & Zoom sessions ‘I’ ‘do’ & what transpires. In regard to this thread and or forum, you’ve expressed nothing of actual substance on my behalf, only projection via discrediting & accusation (though the quotes you paste are quite insightful). If you are interested in opinions, surely you have noticed, though I try not to ‘billboard it’, that there are people if you will, which have had this direct experience and are present on the forum. You could ask them their opinion if you’re interest in ‘me’ and what ‘I’m doing’ persists. I don’t mind at all, and trust they wouldn’t either. Getting back to the accusation you expressed on my behalf, and the ‘discrediting’ lens, you could consider that it is as least a possibility that what is occurring is the counterintuitive paradoxical opposite, and that it really truly actually has nothing at all to do what what or who you think I am, and maybe has to do with a certain calling & interest on your behalf to do something similar to what I’m doing, so to speak.

Well, appreciated, but you are accusing me of some dark & ill intended motives, and saying really nasty stuff about me as of late. I ‘get it’, and I don’t mind at all. I’m actually happy for you. Some ‘sections of the path’ are lovely, and some are a bit frustrating, or rather, releasing. Just an opinion / suggestion, but let the deducing of if someone else is enlightened or not go. That already misses the point and just makes for backtracking & more undoing, and it’s really the heart of judgement, or perhaps the apparent absence of. Judgement is a real bitch man. It’s so ‘deep down in there’ so to speak for us all. It’s the ‘human condition’, the ‘situation’ we find ourselves in. But (again just one opinion here) this is transcend-able, in the sense / direction (as I recognize you obviously ‘know’) of ‘returning home’ (vs more concepts). “I” do not ‘believe I have arrived’. It is just linguistically subject object / noun verb, and it is just clear ‘who’ I really am, and also that just saying it directly is least helpful or useful, logical or even sensical. Yes, agreed & beautiful btw. There is no me and nowhere to go or arrive indeed. ? If there is something to be said on Leo’s behalf or perspectives, it is probably best said, to Leo. Let’s not lump us ‘who’s’ together. That won’t work either, as we already are.

“Bud” ? There really are no individuals my man. It’s actual. There is no ‘he’ which has a clearer understanding than ‘you’, and ‘you’ are not the individual ‘knower’ of who among ‘other individuals’ has a clearer understanding. There is likewise, not actually an individual, which believes itself to be a reliable source. You - are saying that, and that you are, and that there isn’t that ‘you’, is totally between you and your source, so to speak. Nor is there anyone else’s beliefs at play here - literally just your own. That is textbook projection - telling someone else what they believe. lol. Come on man. This is fundamental deconstruction. The agreeing & being a moderator verbiage only reveals your own perspectives about that subject - you are saying that. There is no & no one understanding nonduality my man, it means not-two (as you know, just a point of relevance to what you said - about ‘me’). “You are not a reliable course in these areas whether you believe you are or not” - again, come on dude. You can’t see that’s all what you are saying? All projection? There isn’t actually an individual ‘here’ ‘stuck in a belief system’, that is the whole ‘thing’ you’re missing! Nonduality! ? ”It takes someone to be completely selfless...” that there is not a ‘separate self’ ‘in the body’ is actual. This nonduality ‘stuff’ is actual! “Someone that is not awake should not be attempting to guide individuals on this section of the forum period” I mean, really?! You might be having an ‘off day’ or something, but come on. Are you even reading what you’re writing? I wish you only the best. If we were sitting together, I’d be the first to open a beer for ya and tell you I love ya, and appreciate all you do. You also can feel free to make whatever accusations about me you desire to, and I hope it is some form of relief.

It seems as if you have misunderstood and projected, in responding to a comment that was not even to you yet again. I am not suggesting anything is missing - you are saying that. I am not suggesting 5meo is needed - you are saying that. I am not suggesting there is that which is not true love - you are saying that. I’m not suggesting anyone is holier than thou - you are saying that. I am not suggesting anyone has anything to prove to anyone else, nor to themself - you are saying that. I’m not suggesting there is a divine masculine & feminine - you are saying that. I understand how you read what I wrote (to someone else) and interpreted as you did. I am merely pointing out, that you did this. You can see in a plain evident sense that you are doing this, because you are resorting to talking about ‘me’, in charector accusations, etc, rather than commenting to the topic at hand. It seems you have a whole ‘scene’ of ‘Nahm & his 5meo, him saying ‘something is missing’, him believing he’s ‘holier than thou’, etc, etc, etc. None of it is accurate, none of it is what was said. Same thingy here. Notice, you’re not interested (in this comment like the other) in adding anything to the topic, but in attacking me, making accusations about me, etc. This is just advice, but dude, I am telling you you’ll be infinite being forever. Relationships are sensitive, most fleeting, and imo, most precious. You can continue making accusations of me all you like, and I hope it’s some sort of relief.

@integral Yes and no.

@Someone here ??☺️? (For the sake of clarity btw, nothing is being said about anyone, just the topic at hand).